Official Records for 8 April 1997

L176S - Tue 8 Apr 1997 / Mar 8 Avr 1997

CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO


Report continued from volume R.

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CITY OF TORONTO ACT, 1996 / LOI DE 1996 SUR LA CITÉ DE TORONTO

Continuing consideration of Bill 103, An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto / Projet de loi 103, Loi visant à remplacer les sept administrations municipales existantes de la communauté urbaine de Toronto en constituant une nouvelle municipalité appelée la cité de Toronto.

The Acting Chair (Mr Doug Galt): We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wineva, w-i-n-e-v-a, Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winfield Avenue, w-i-n-d-a-l. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wingarden Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wingate Place. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion subsection --

Mrs Marion Boyd (London Centre): On a point of order, Mr Chair: This next one, "Winges," does not have a street designation. I'm withdrawing it.

The Acting Chair: Thank you.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winges Road, w-i-n-g-e-s. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4) --

Mrs Boyd: The next one is "Wingold" without a street designation. I'm withdrawing it.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wingold Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wingreen Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wingrove Hill. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winlock Park. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winnett Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winnifred Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winnipeg Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winona Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winsdale Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winsland Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winsloe Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winslow Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winstanley Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winston Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Rosario Marchese (Fort York): Point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw the next motion. It's Winston Avenue. It's a duplicate of the one we just read into the record.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winston Churchill Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winston Grove. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winston Park. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winston Park Boulevard. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winter Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winter Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winter Gardens Trail. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: Point of order, Mister Chair: I would like to withdraw the motion you're about to read into the record. It's a duplicate of the one you just read.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winterbourne Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wintergreen Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wintermute Boulevard. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winters Gardens Trail. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winterset Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winterton Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winthorpe Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Winton Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

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We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wirral Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wishart Place. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wishaw Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wishford Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wishing Well Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wisteria Road, w-i-s-t-e-r-i-a. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Withcombe Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Withrow Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw the following motion that reads "Withrow Avenue." It's a duplicate of the other.

The Acting Chair: We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Withrow Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Withycombe Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woburn Avenue, w-o-b-u-r-n. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wolfrey Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wolseley Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wolverleigh Boulevard. That's l-e-i-g-h. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wolverton Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wonderland Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wood Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wood Fern Way. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wood Glen Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wood Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbank Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: The following street is Woodbine. It doesn't have a complete designation so I would like to withdraw that.

The Acting Chair: We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Centre. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Centre, maybe Crescent, Court, it says "c-t-r."

Mr Marchese: It could be Woodbine Centre. Obviously, it wouldn't be court. If it is centre then, I would like to withdraw this particular motion.

The Acting Chair: Withdrawn.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Downs Boulevard. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have another NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Heights Boulevard. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Heights. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbine Mews. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodborough Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Could we have a clarification on the numbers? My understanding is as the numbers change it should be announced by one of the opposition parties. That was the agreement earlier.

Hon Norman W. Sterling (Minister of Environment and Energy): As I put forward that particular agreement with everyone. the agreement was that each party, as their membership would change, would designate or indicate the number of members that there were in their seats that would be deemed standing at the critical time. Therefore, at this point in time, the NDP would indicate that they had one member and the Liberals that they had four.

Mr Gerry Phillips (Scarborough-Agincourt): I'm pleased to announce that we have four Liberals in the House right now.

Mr Marchese: I'm not sure. The member for London Centre indicated who was coming, but the member for Beaches-Woodbine is here, making a call but not here present. There are two of us, however.

The Acting Chair: The point is on the arrangement that every time the number changes in the House you stand and announce it.

Mr Marchese: We need to indicate that? There's one here at the moment.

The Acting Chair: I wasn't here at the time that decision was made and I was flying just a little bit by the seat of my pants, so to speak, to keep track of it, but my understanding, as long as we had the five here, but it does need to be announced as the changes occur. Then they'll be deemed standing so that'll make it a little more comfortable for you.

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Mrs Lyn McLeod (Fort William): There's no need for us to, for example, tell you that we now have five Liberals in the House because you already had five designated members for voting at that point. Is that right? You don't need to know a total count.

The Acting Chair: My understanding is, as it changes, it's to be announced.

Mrs McLeod: As it changes, for voting purposes?

The Acting Chair: Yes.

Mrs McLeod: Right. As opposed to just -- you don't want a total number. We seem to have such enthusiasm that we have a great number of Liberals coming in this morning.

The Acting Chair: I'd like a clarification on what the arrangement was.

Hon Mr Sterling: The agreement was that members could stand in their place two different ways. If the party wanted to remain seated and be deemed to be standing, then the agreement was that some person from that party would indicate the number that were to be deemed standing, and that those people had to remain in their seats at the critical time.

Mr Phillips: We'd be happy to then. I gather the intent is that if there are five members, we would announce that; if there are four, we would announce that. And we certainly will ensure we do that.

The Acting Chair: As you go below the -- yes, okay.

Mr Marchese: So is the point that as soon as our member comes, we indicate that we have two members at that time?

The Acting Chair: Right.

Mr Marchese: Each time there's a change, we indicate that change.

The Acting Chair: Up to the five. Is everybody more or less clear on that?

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbury Place. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodbury Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodcliffe Place. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodcrest Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodcroft Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wooded Carse Way, c-a-r-s-e. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodenhill Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodfern Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodfield Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodford Park Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodgarden Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodgate Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodgreen Place. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodgrove Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodhaven Heights. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodhead Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodington Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw this motion, Woodington Avenue. It's a duplicate of the one we just read.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodland Heights. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodland Park Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

I have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodlawn Avenue East. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodlawn Avenue West. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodlee Road, and that's d-l-e-e. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Just as part of the procedures that were spoken about a few moments ago, I'd like to announce we have two members in the House.

The Acting Chair: Thank you, member for Fort York.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodlot Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodmere Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodmount Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodpark Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodridge Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodroff Bay. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodrow Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodside Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodstock Place. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodsview Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodsworth Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw this motion. It reads "Woodthorpe." It is an incomplete designation.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodthorpe Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodthrush Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodvale Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodvalley Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodville Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodward Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodway Trail. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodworth Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woody Vine Way. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

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Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw this motion, Woody Vineway. It is similar to the previous motion, so I'll withdraw that.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woodycrest Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woolenscote Circle. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woolgar Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woolner Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woolton Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Woolwick Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wooster Wood. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Worcester Road, w-o-r-c-e-s-t-e-r. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wortham Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Worthington Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Worthview Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wray Court, w-r-a-y. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wren Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw the following motion that reads "Wren Lake."

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wrenson Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wright Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wroxeter Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyandot Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyatt Walk. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wychcrest Avenue, w-y-c-h-c-r-e-s-t. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mrs McLeod: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I just want to indicate that for voting purposes there are now three Liberals and two New Democrats in their seats.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wychwood Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wychwood Park, w-y-c-h-w-o-o-d.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I'd like to withdraw this motion.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wycliffe Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wycombe Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wye Valley Road. That's w-y-e. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyegate Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyndale Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyndcliff Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyndham Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wynford Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wynford Heights. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I would like to withdraw this motion that reads Wynford Heights. It's a -- oh no, it isn't. It's Crescent. Sorry, please proceed.

The Acting Chair: We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wynford Heights Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wynford Heights Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wynn Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wynnview Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wythenshawe Wood.

Mr Marchese: You should spell that.

The Acting Chair: It's w-y-t-h-e-n-s-h-a-w-e. I can say honestly that's the first time I've ever seen that word.

Ms Annamarie Castrilli (Downsview): It's a great street.

The Acting Chair: Great. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Wyvern Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yardley Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yarmouth Gardens. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yarmouth Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yarn Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yarrow Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yatesbury Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yatescastle Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and this shall be a deferred vote.

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NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yelland Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yellow Birchway. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay."

In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yellowstone Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yeomans Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yetta Shep Way, y-e-t-t-a. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yewfield Crescent, y-e-w-f-i-e-l-d. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): -- Oh, this is a rare one. Anyone know this street? -- Yonge Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yore Road, y-o-r-e. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Downs Drive. Order please. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Gate Boulevard. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Mills Road. Shall the motion carry? All those opposed, say "nay." All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

Mrs McLeod: On a point of order, Mr Chair: Could you determine if there is a quorum?

The Acting Chair: Would the Clerk please check to see if there is a quorum present.

Clerk of the Table (Ms Lisa Freedman): A quorum is present, Chair.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Ridge Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Street. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): York Valley Crescent. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4).

Mr Marchese: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I believe there is no designation of a street there.

The Acting Chair: It's just a blank, isn't it? Thank you very much.

Mr Marchese: It's not a blank one. It just doesn't have a street.

The Acting Chair: Mine didn't even have a description.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkland Boulevard. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This should be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkland Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This should be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkleigh Avenue, l-e-i-g-h. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This should be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkminster Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This should be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkshire Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This should be a deferred vote.

Mrs McLeod: A very small point of order from the member for Fort William, Mr Chair: I don't really want to interrupt the flow and I appreciate the auctioneer's style. It helps to keep us awake. But I do just think I should note that you are saying there "should" be a deferred vote, and I think that it would be important for the Chair to rule that there "shall" be a deferred vote. Thank you.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much for bringing that to my attention. It was a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkview Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkville Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yorkwoods Gate. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Youngmill Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Ypres Road, y-p-r-e-s. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yucatan Road, y-u-c-a-t-a-n. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yule Avenue. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yulewood Gate. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Yvonne Avenue, y-v-o-n-n-e. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zachary Court. Shall the motion carry? All those opposed, please say "nay." All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zaharias Court, z-a-h-a-r-i-a-s. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zambri Walk. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zaph Avenue, z-a-p-h. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zealand Road. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zenith Drive. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. There shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zircon Court. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

NDP motion, the last NDP motion, subsection 24(4): Zorra Street, z-o-r-r-a. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those in favour, say "nay." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have a Liberal motion.

Interjections.

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The Acting Chair: Order, please.

Clauses 25(1)(b) and (c):

"I move that section 25(1) of the bill be amended by striking out the clauses (b) and (c)."

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have a government motion, clause 25(1)(c):

"I move that clause 25(1)(c) of the bill be amended by striking out `board of trustees,' and substituting `financial advisory board.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the ayes have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

I have a Liberal motion, section 26:

"The Liberal members of the committee recommend that the committee vote against section 26."

This motion is out of order.

A Liberal motion, section 26:

"I move that section 26 of the bill be struck out."

That motion is out of order.

Shall section 26 carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." I believe the ayes have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

Shall sections 27 and 28 carry? Those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the ayes have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

Liberal motion, section 29:

"I move that section 29 of the bill be amended by striking out:

"`December 31 -- "

Hon Mr Sterling: Mr Chair, a point of order: I don't believe you asked a question on section 24, as to whether it would carry with the amendments --

The Acting Chair: No we didn't.

Hon Mr Sterling: -- or is it --

The Acting Chair: Section 24 is deferred because of the amendments.

We have a Liberal motion, section 29:

"I move that section 29 of the bill be amended by striking out `December 31, 1997' in the second line of clause (a) and the sixth line clause (b) and substituting in both cases `December 31, 2000.'"

Shall the motion carry?

Hon Mr Sterling: Mr Chairman, I would like to submit to you that I believe that this particular motion is out of order. The amendments that have been put forward -- there are some 800 of these amendments -- are contradictory in themselves. I believe that each of the amendments puts forward a different date, and therefore, I would view the amendments as --

Mr Mike Colle (Oakwood): Point of order, Mr Chair: He's dealing with the wrong motion.

Hon Mr Sterling: I thought this was an NDP amendment. Isn't this an NDP amendment? I'm sorry, excuse me. I withdraw my remarks then.

The Acting Chair: Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." All those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This shall be a deferred vote.

We have an NDP motion, section 29.1:

"I move that part 1 of the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Non-application to other municipalities

"`29.1 This act does not apply to any of the following municipalities: Adelaide.'"

Shall the motion carry?

Hon Mr Sterling: Mr Chairman, I'm rising on a point of order as it is my belief that the NDP amendment and those 860 which follow are out of order. This amendment specifies that the bill does not apply to a certain municipality. The first municipality was Adelaide. The amendments which follow are listed in alphabetical order: other municipalities in Ontario to which the bill does not apply.

Bill 103 deals with the municipalities of Metropolitan Toronto, city of Toronto, city of York, city of East York, city of Etobicoke, city of Scarborough and the city of North York. According to both Erskine May and Beauchesne an amendment to a bill is out of order if it is irrelevant to the subject matter or beyond the scope of the bill or of the clause under consideration. The motion specifying that the bill does not apply to another municipality is irrelevant to this bill.

The title of the bill is clear in its terms of the municipality that the bill addresses. That title is "An act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the city of Toronto." The amendment is also clearly beyond the scope of the bill. It couldn't be clearer that it is beyond the scope of this bill.

The areas impacted by the bill are clearly defined in section 1, the definitions section. Amendments tabled speak to municipalities that have nothing to do with this legislation. I will cite examples of the Chair's rulings which have upheld that amendments that are beyond the scope of the bill are not in order:

On January 7, 1988, in clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 79, the Legislative Assembly Act, the opposition tabled an amendment that proposed to change the existing mechanism for fixing members' salaries. The Chair ruled that the mechanism for fixing members' salaries was not contemplated in the bill itself as it was introduced. He said that it was beyond the scope of the existing bill.

On January 10, 1988, in clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 2, the Ontario Automobile Insurance Board, the opposition tabled an amendment seeking the establishment of a fund by the facility association. The Chair ruled that the bill under consideration did not deal with the facility association and therefore was out of order, as it was beyond the scope and purpose of the bill being considered.

On November 24, 1981, in clause-by-clause consideration of --

The Acting Chair: Could I have your attention, please. I was about to rule this out of order anyway, and the rest of the amendments that follow that are similar, so to save you from continuing with your speech -- but it was an excellent one at that.

Ms Frances Lankin (Beaches-Woodbine): Mr Chair, on a point of order: Given that you have signalled that you had a previous ruling, I have points that I wish to argue that would suggest that these motions are in order.

The Acting Chair: Are you going to challenge the Chair?

Ms Lankin: You've made your ruling, have you? You don't want to hear the arguments?

The Acting Chair: Yes, I have.

Ms Lankin: Fine then. I challenge the Chair.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. Call the Speaker.

The committee rose and requested a ruling of the Speaker.

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The Acting Chair: Mr Speaker, I ruled on section 29.1 that the issue was outside of the bill itself, talking about jurisdictions that are outside of the bill. I ruled on this one and the following ones. That has been challenged by the member for Beaches-Woodbine.

The Speaker (Hon Chris Stockwell): Thank you very much. Member for Beaches-Woodbine.

Ms Lankin: I'm sorry to disturb you, Mr Speaker, but we appreciate your coming here. I know the government members aren't.

First of all, may I say to you that we're in a bit of a strange circumstance because the Chair actually provided a ruling in the middle of an objection by the Minister of Environment with respect to this section, indicating he was intending to rule it out of order anyway. I sort of understand with a new Chair how that might have happened, but he did not provide the assembly with any reasons, so I'm at this point appealing a decision of the Chair with no reasons having been stated. I can only -- yes?

The Speaker: May I make the suggestion, then, that you make your submissions based on --

Ms Lankin: What I think the reasons are.

The Speaker: Basically. Thank you.

Ms Lankin: Your suggestion is that I make my submissions based on what I think might have been his reasons.

The Speaker: Why you believe it's in order.

Ms Lankin: I will in fact endeavour to do that.

May I also indicate that it has been quite clear from a fair amount of chat that there has been an expectation that the advice to the Speaker and the Speaker's opinion with respect to this has been that this section may be out of order. I might be fighting an uphill battle here but I'm going to give this a stab.

I believe that the ruling of the Chair with respect to the admissibility or whether or not this amendment is in order relates to parliamentary authority found in Beauchesne's that says, "An amendment is out of order if it is irrelevant to the bill, beyond its scope or governed by or dependent upon amendments already negatived." In this case the last section obviously wouldn't apply so I think that the arguments will be made as to whether this section is relevant to the bill and whether it is within the scope of the bill. I will argue that it is both relevant and within the scope.

Our series of amendments specify exemptions or exceptions to the applicability of the act, set out that the act does not apply to, in the case of the amendment before us, the municipality of Adelaide. I would point out first of all to you that this is consistent with other exceptions which are found within this bill itself, and I'll start off with Bill 103.

Subsection 28(1) of Bill 103 reads, "Nothing in this act affects school boards." I would suggest to you that the act very clearly sets out in the beginning, in its intent and in its title, that it is with respect to municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto, incorporating a new municipality known as the city of Toronto. Any argument that is made that you do not need to exempt municipalities other than those clearly within the intent of the bill could be made with school boards as well. Yet we find within the bill a specific exemption that says, "Nothing in this act affects school boards."

Further in clause 28(2)(b) we see, notwithstanding that general exception that we just had school boards, which would be school boards in all of Ontario -- we know that to be the case because clause 28(2)(b) says that it "does not affect the existence or functioning of,

"(i) the school boards of the municipalities referred to in paragraphs 1 to 7 of that subsection,

"(ii) the Metropolitan Toronto School Board,

"(iii) the Metropolitan Separate School Board, or

"(iv) the Metropolitan Toronto French-Language School Council."

You can see we have exceptions set out here broadly that no school board in the province of Ontario is affected by this act, and more specifically, those school boards within Metropolitan Toronto are not affected by this act. I would argue that if it is necessary and/or appropriate, and more to the point in order, to have exemptions stated within the act of school boards, which are clearly not municipalities, according to any argument that would say our amendment is out of order, not directly to the intent of the legislation, not necessary, then I would fail to see how an amendment that specifically argues that municipalities, which are clearly more in keeping with the intent of this legislation -- how an exemption spelling out which municipalities are not affected could be ruled out of order.

Further, I want to point out that in clause 28(2)(a) it indicates, "Without limiting the generality of subsection (1)" -- which says, "Nothing in this act affects school boards" -- and goes on to say that "section 23" -- of Bill 103 -- "does not apply with respect to school boards." If you look to section 23 you'll find that this is in a section of the act dealing with regular elections. Section 23 itself sets out the following rules that will apply to the 1997 regular election, but within that section dealing with regular elections subsection 22(1) reads:

"The following persons, if in office on November 30, 1977, shall continue in office until the end of the transitional year:

"1. The members of the old councils.

"2. The members of the local boards of the old municipalities."

If you look to the definitions section of this legislation you will find definitions for "old councils" and "local boards." I only point this out because it is clearly set out in the definition of "local board" that it "means a public utility commission, transportation commission, public library board, board of park management, local board of health, police services board, planning board...." Clearly school boards are not included in that.

By virtue of these sections read together within the legislation, you see that school boards are not in fact at all included and yet section 28 provides a specific exemption that school boards within Metropolitan Toronto are not included, but more broadly school boards across the province, any school board is not included. I submit to you that this being in order should equally make an amendment which we've put forward which would suggest that the act does not apply to the municipality of Adelaide an amendment that is in order.

I want to suggest to you that there are a large number of acts which state specifically what they do not apply to, even if it would seem obvious to some upon the reading of the intent of the act. I will give you one other example. I've given you the one from Bill 103 itself. Another example: Section 3 of the Rent Control Act contains a long list of exemptions, even though section 2 of that act clearly says, "This act applies to rental units in residential complexes." Some of the exemptions, and there's a long list of them, include things like hospitals and jails. Although on the most obvious and commonsense reading I believe most reasonable people would not consider hospitals or jails to be "residential units in residential complexes," yet that exemption is there and that exemption has been ruled to be in order.

Lastly, I would submit to you that this bill itself, as is written and as we are currently dealing with and amending, deals with areas of the province that are under the governance of municipalities outside of Metropolitan Toronto. If you look to the schedule attached to the bill which lists a number of ridings which would be the basis of new wards that would be formed as the bill is written now, it includes York North which, as we know, is north of Metropolitan Toronto and outside of the jurisdiction which this bill purports to deal with.

On the argument that the bill itself has exemptions which would seem to be dealing with school boards which are outside of the scope of this legislation, on the argument that many bills have exemptions which give further clarity and clarification even though an obvious commonsense reading might say that it is not necessary or relevant, and on the argument that this bill itself, as it is written at this point in time, includes reference to municipalities or areas of the province which are under the governance of municipalities outside of Metropolitan Toronto, it seems to us that it would not be out of order to have amendments which clearly set out exemptions listing municipalities which will not be affected by this act, which is an act of municipal governance.

I will leave it at that and perhaps have an opportunity to respond.

Hon Mr Sterling: Mr Speaker, I had the opportunity to make a few remarks prior to the ruling by the Chair. I think this is a fairly simple matter when you really get down to it. The fact of the matter is this bill deals with the city of Toronto, the city of York, the city of East York, the city of Etobicoke, Scarborough and North York. The very title of the bill is "An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto."

The amendment that is put forward and the following amendments, some 800-odd, naming other municipalities are totally irrelevant to what this bill is really all about. This bill is clearly defining in the definitions section what areas it refers to. The member opposite talked about school boards and referred back to section 1, the definition of "local board," but failed to read on within the section. She read, "`local board' means a public utility" etc, and then at the end of that particular section it says, "with respect to any of the affairs of an old municipality...." An old municipality includes the "municipality of Metropolitan Toronto and its area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act." Therefore I believe there's no question that these are out of order, are irrelevant.

There have been numerous rulings by the Chair in the past when considering matters that are not contemplated by the bill that they should be ruled out of order. Otherwise there would be no really clear definition of how wide amendments could go in the committees or in committee of the whole.

Ms Castrilli: Mr Speaker, I propose to deal with four different issues in speaking to this order of the Chair in the absence of any direction from the Chair as to what it is that we are speaking to. The first issue is one of certainty, the second one of relevance, the third will be dealing with the legislative precedent and the fourth the Interpretation Act.

With respect to the issue of certainty, I think the member for Beaches-Woodbine has already pointed out that the wording in the NDP motion is consistent with some of the words and intent of the legislation. I refer specifically to clause 28(2)(a), which says section 23 does not apply with respect to school boards. It doesn't say school boards in Toronto, it doesn't say school boards in Metropolitan Toronto, it doesn't say school boards in any of the six cities; it says "school boards." I think a liberal interpretation of that -- and I use that word not politically but judicially -- would require you to interpret that as school boards in Ontario. Therefore it is consistent with the legislation before us to view the NDP amendment as in keeping with the spirit of the bill.

With respect to relevance, again Beauchesnes has been cited and I guess in reading Beauchesnes -- I'm reading from the fifth edition and I assume the government is reading from the same -- it says quite clearly in section 425:

"The object of an amendment may be either to modify a question in such a way as to increase its acceptability or to present to the House a different proposition as an alternative to the original which must, however, be relevant to the subject of the questions."

I submit to you that this amendment does increase the acceptability of the act because it is very specific in its nature as to where the act will have application and where it will not have application and therefore entirely relevant in keeping with the section.

Section 426 speaks again to the same question and again I would argue that it is totally relevant and in keeping with the dictates set out in Beauchesnes that this motion be considered in order.

The third issue that I wish to put before you comes from legislative precedent, and I would refer you to two in particular. One is a decision of March 20, 1889, journals page 140. It's a rather old amendment, but it does say that an amendment may extend the scope of the original motion. I won't read to you Hansard, but we do have it here if you wish to review it.

The second precedent comes from May 7, 1974, debates with Mr Rowe in the chair, and that decision even proposed to change the bill's title. It was found to be in order, again because relevant and consistent.

The fourth element is the Interpretation Act, and I will simply cite section 10 of the Interpretation Act, which says that any decision that is made must be -- sorry, I don't have the exact citation here, but it must be given full and liberal construction within the intent and the meaning of the legislation. I would argue that amendments also fall under section 10 of the Interpretation Act, and I would ask you to review all of these authorities prior to making any ruling.

Ms Lankin: In summation, let me just respond to the Minister of Environment, who argued that the definitions section of Bill 103 went further than I read and spelled out, after talking about the number of boards, "or any other body established or exercising power under any general or special act with respect to any affairs of an old municipality or of the new city."

I think that further strengthens my argument, because school boards would obviously not come under the definition of "any other body exercising power under any general or special act with respect to any of the affairs of an old municipality," but if the Minister of Environment claims that I have not read on, let me do the same for him. If we were to read in the whole definition of "local board," you would see that under (d), in the list of things that it does not include, it says "(d) a school board."

So in the fact that the act itself is intended to deal with municipal governance and that the definition with respect to local boards makes it clear that school boards are not included, you have section 28, and I believe it would be important for you to look at section 28. If section 28 can exist within this legislation and can provide an exception for the applicability of this act to bodies that are other than bodies of muncipal governments, as is the intent of this act, then I would argue that amendments, which specify the non-applicability of this act to municipal governments, which are more in line with and closer to the rest of the content of this legislation would have to be in order.

Lastly, just to reiterate, the fact that the act itself, in setting out in its schedule that the wards that are to be considered include wards of urban areas that are outside of Metropolitan Toronto, the area that the government argues the act is intended to deal with, must mean that an amendment which seeks to exclude from the applicability, exempt from the applicability, of the act those municipalities outside of Metropolitan Toronto would also be in order.

Mr Marchese: Mr Speaker, just as a final point, it would seem to me an argument that I want to make to emphasize the point the member for Beaches-Woodbine has made is to say the following. If you were to take our amendment in isolation of section 28, I would probably see you ruling against our amendment quite easily. But in the context of section 28, it is in that light I hope you would see this amendment, because if school boards are included there as exemptions, it seems to me that our amendment makes sense in that way.

I believe it is your duty to look at that section as you make this ruling on our amendment. If you do that, I think you're going to have a difficult time in ruling our amendment out of order, or at least it seems to me that you're going to have to comment on why the government has included section 28, which excludes school boards. It is my hope that you would comment on that as well as you make the ruling on our amendment.

The Speaker: I would like to take this opportunity to review the submissions and report back to you in an hour.

The House recessed from 0945 to 1046.

The Speaker: I'd like to thank everyone for their submissions. I have had an opportunity to reflect on members' submissions with respect to the admissibility of the amendments, which seek to create a new section to Bill 103. I have also reviewed the relevant parliamentary authorities and precedents.

Let me begin by indicating the essential nature of an amendment. According to page 336 of the 21st edition of Erskine May:

"The object of an amendment may be either to modify a question in such a way as to increase its acceptability or to present to the House a different proposition as an alternative to the original question."

I have also reviewed what various authorities have said about the admissibility of amendments. For example, Beauchesne states at citation 698(1) of the sixth edition that "an amendment is out of order if it is irrelevant to the bill, beyond its scope or governed by or dependent upon amendments already negatived."

Secondly, Erskine May states at page 491 that "an amendment is out of order if it is irrelevant to the subject matter or beyond the scope of a bill, or if it is irrelevant to the subject matter or beyond the scope of the clause under consideration."

Finally, Australia's House of Representatives Practice states at page 398 of the second edition that "a new clause...will not be entertained if it is beyond the scope of the bill [or] is in effect a redrafting of a clause which is already in the bill."

I now turn from a recitation of the authorities to a discussion of the nature of Bill 103 and the impugned amendments.

Members will know that the long title of Bill 103 reads as follows: "An Act to replace the seven existing municipal governments of Metropolitan Toronto by incorporating a new municipality to be known as the City of Toronto."

Members will also know that section 1 of the bill defines "old municipalities" as "the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto and its area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act." That act, in turn, defines "area municipality" as "the municipality or corporation of the borough of East York, the city of Etobicoke, the city of North York, the city of Scarborough, the city of Toronto or the city of York." It seems clear to me that only these seven municipalities are affected by the bill.

In view of this, I have to say that I have some difficulty in comprehending the argument that amendments that essentially say that the bill does not apply to certain municipalities -- in circumstances where the bill ipso facto excludes such municipalities from being subject to the bill -- are not irrelevant. Whereas the bill uses inclusive language to indicate which municipalities are subject to the bill, the amendments use exclusive language to indicate which municipalities are not subject to the bill.

My point is this: How can the amendments be relevant if they're saying the same thing that is already mentioned or referenced in the bill? To use an analogy, the glass of water that is on your desk might be variously described as being half-full or half-empty, but it is still the same glass of water. There is a maxim in the field of statutory construction which conveys a similar concept that is very applicable. The maxim states "Inclusio unius est exclusio alterius," which means that the mention of one thing is the exclusion of another. I know we hear that in our everyday talk; I mentioned that to my son this morning. It means that the mention of one thing is the exclusion of another.

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I appreciate hearing from the member for Beaches-Woodbine (Ms Lankin), the member for Fort York (Mr Marchese), and the member for Downsview (Ms Castrilli). I reflected very carefully on the submissions made with respect to the presence in the bill of clauses dealing with not just school board, but school boards outside of Metropolitan Toronto. However, the plain references to school boards in the bill would seem to provide the rationale for the presence of section 29 in the bill. There is no such connection between the impugned amendments and the bill as it currently stands, and so the school board argument is not really applicable.

Therefore, I am ruling out of order all amendments that seek to create a new section 29.1 by identifying a municipality that is not one of the municipalities already mentioned or referenced in the bill.

I thank members for their thoughtful submissions on this point of order.

House in committee of the whole.

The First Deputy Chair (Ms Marilyn Churley): Liberal motion --

Ms Castrilli: Madam Chair, I rise on a point of privilege which is quite serious. I hope you'll hear me out. Earlier in the proceedings I rose on a point of privilege and asked for unanimous consent of the House to deal with the issue of how I might be able to vote and represent my constituents in an appropriate manner, given the fact that the standing orders required me to stand to indicate a deferred vote.

Subsequent to that, the member for Mississauga South chose to rise in this House and use some rather disparaging language with respect to that particular decision. I think you could check Hansard and see the language that she used. Nevertheless, I think her comments were disrespectful towards this House. I think they showed contempt for the unanimous decision which this House took. They certainly were contemptuous and disrespectful of me, as I was trying to simply discharge my duties as a member of this House in a way that the standing orders do not allow me to do under the current circumstances, and frankly they're disrespectful of a wide segment of the population which through either partial or full disability cannot always comply to the rules that some of us would like to be able to comply to. I wonder if you might review the Hansard and ask the member in question to withdraw her comments.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you for that point of privilege. I will undertake to review the Hansard -- I don't know how long that's going to take -- and will report back to you.

Ms Castrilli: That's acceptable, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: Liberal motion, 29.1:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.1(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Brooklawn Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

All in favour, please say --

Hon Charles Harnick (Attorney General, minister responsible for native affairs): On a point of order, Madam Chair: I believe this amendment is out of order on several grounds, the first of which I would submit deals with the fact that this is a matter that is foreign to this bill. It is not within the scope of the bill because it deals with heritage matters, and heritage matters are not dealt with in this bill.

It is also out of order because it is vague. I think certainly if one takes a look at a number of the terms used in the legislation, they're so vague and lacking in definition as to render the section, I believe, contrary to the rules of this House and of parliaments. I believe that is grounds that these amendments be struck out. Finally, I believe that these amendments would be in conflict with other acts that exist, where I think the same provision as is set out in subsection (2), which you've read.

On those grounds, I believe that these amendments should be struck out and are not properly before us.

Mr Colle: Madam Chair, I think this motion is very much in order. It is very germane to the bill because it deals with the municipalities this bill is trying to eliminate. But the government itself has amended the original act to now change the ward boundaries, which originally were supposed to be on the federal boundaries. With the amendments they propose, the new boundaries will now be based on the present city boundaries, the five cities and the one borough. In doing that, one of the rationales they used to make those amendments and establish these so-called community councils, which are part of this amendment -- they did that in order to preserve local identification.

What we've done with these amendments is we've added and reinforced that intention of the government's own amendments, which were a dramatic reversal from the original intent of their bill before the amendments they put forward which created the community councils and re-established local identity, which they thought was going to be lost. What we're doing is reinforcing that attempt by the government in their amendments to preserve local identity. We're very specific in the way we're going to do it, and the way we're going to do it is to designate streets as the backbone of preserving or helping to keep the identity of the six municipalities. So nothing can be further from the truth than saying, as the member for --

Hon David H. Tsubouchi (Minister of Consumer and Commercial Relations): It has nothing to do with it.

The First Deputy Chair: Order, please. I need to hear.

Ms Lankin: Your mike is not on.

The First Deputy Chair: Please turn on the mike. I want order. I need to hear. I need to listen very carefully to these points of order. Thank you.

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Mr Colle: The government side is saying this is foreign to this bill. Well, nothing could be more distant. This is an integral part of the government's own amendments. Therefore, the government's amendments should have been ruled out of order, because these in essence reinforce their own amendments.

The amendment here is very specific. It is not vague. It identifies the very street that is to be designated as historic, even, in the city or in the former city as they hope to implement with this bill. So certainly it is very much part of what this bill is all about. It is about the identity, the establishment of identity of the six municipalities into this new entity, that that be preserved. We are putting forth a very plain and understandable way of reinforcing that identity, and we hope to do this through a process that cities all across Ontario have done for decades, and that is, they do designate historic or heritage sites. That is part of the provincial mandate given to municipalities, and it is very much under their prerogative to do so. I think the province has given that authority and they also have the authority.

We're doing nothing unusual. It is fairly routine in terms of historical designation, and especially in light of this massive transformation that this bill imposes upon the six municipalities, I think it's critical that they be given an opportunity to retain their local identity. This amendment goes a long way to ensuring there's at least some mechanism for doing that and for the people who live in these municipalities, have that kind of opportunity to ensure they don't lose all their identity. The streets are, again, the backbone of that local identity.

I think it's certainly in order and is part and parcel of what the government's own amendments have been doing. So if this is ruled out of order, there's no way that the original motion to keep the government's own amendments of changing the ward boundaries or installing community councils based on the old cities -- you know, you can't have it both ways. If they're going to defend the community councils and the new ward boundaries, they've got to defend this amendment too. Thank you.

Ms Lankin: Madam Chair, I would argue that the Liberal amendments are in order. The Liberal amendments deal with the concept of preservation of communities, and the preservation of communities is an important subject of this bill, as we have heard argued on many occasions by the minister himself. He has referred to this specially in regard to government amendments which concern both neighbourhood and community councils, and I would refer you to section 5 of the bill to see that set out.

In particular, section 5.2 of the bill, as amended -- and those government amendments have already been passed by this committee of the whole -- deals with the delegation of certain planning matters to community councils. We know that under other provincial legislation like the Planning Act and the Ontario Heritage Act, which govern these matters, there is a very strong interrelation between those pieces of legislation and, by virtue of the reference of community councils and their roles and what they may be prescribed to do by the new city council, the minister has introduced that interrelationship. So these pieces of legislation are all very much related to each other as they will affect citizens after the passage of Bill 103.

I would also refer you to subsection 5.2(4) and subsection 24(1)(e)(i). The bill contemplates the minister delegating more power to community councils as well. There is that option. So we know that, with respect to planning and its relationship to whether or not certain designations might come into effect which would affect planning matters such as the demolition or alteration to buildings or areas, this interrelationship is quite a critical one, and which one would support these amendments being in order.

I would also point to the fact that the Liberal amendment subclause (2) states, "In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail." So it enhances opportunities or protections that may be present in other legislation, and we know we have seen many acts that have gone through passage in this Legislature which have set clauses above and beyond any other piece of legislation that exists.

For those reasons, Madam Chair, I would argue that the Liberal amendments are in fact in order.

Ms Castrilli: On a point of order, Madam Chair: I'd like to respond to the points raised by the Attorney General with respect to this point of order, and point out briefly that he has three grounds.

One is that the amendments are foreign to this bill, and he cites Beauschene for that proposition. In fact, I think nothing could be further from the truth. This legislation has to do with amalgamation and the implications of amalgamation, and therefore our amendments are within the spirit of the intent of the legislation. It is not intended to seek to broaden the scope of the intent of the legislation, but rather to be very specific about what it is that we mean by amalgamation.

His second point with respect to that is that it is obvious that the government has, by its own state of intention in moving the amendments that it has, intended to protect the community and the identity of communities, and the Liberal amendments are within the spirit of those amendments. Surely if their amendments are to be considered in order at some point, then ours would follow suit because we are intending to maintain the community and the community heritage that existed prior to this bill and will continue to exist until after this bill comes into effect.

I want to dispense with the first and the third first. The third point was that this is in conflict with other legislation and therefore should be avoided. I think that that is a good and laudable goal, and that as legislators, one of our obligations is to make sure that there aren't conflicts between pieces of legislation that would make the workability and the enforcement of that legislation difficult.

I would like to point out, however, that within the legislation itself the government has seen to this argument, and subsections 26(1) and (2) speak to that.

Subsection 26(1) says, "This act applies despite any general or special act and despite any regulation made under another act, and in the event of a conflict between this act and another act or a regulation made under another act, this act prevails."

That essentially eliminates the conflict argument that the Attorney General has put forward, but it becomes even more specific in subsection (2), which says, "In the event of conflict between a regulation made under subsection 24(1) and a provision of this act or of any other act or regulation, the regulation made under subsection 24(1) prevails."

So there are provisions in the legislation to ensure that conflict does not exist. The government has already seen to that, for that we commend them and we think therefore that that argument is not applicable in this case.

As to the second argument that was made, which is that the motion itself is vague, I think that is certainly not the case and we could debate that quite at length. I'm not entirely sure on what grounds the Attorney General believes that this is vague, but we would contend that the section is based on principles of law. "Heritage" is a defined word. I will rephrase that. "Heritage" is a matter of law, as indeed is "historic," and there are copious statutes and regulations which will point to that fact.

Therefore, Madam Chair, without going too much further, there is certainly plenty of legislative precedent that we could cite here at this stage, and if you so wish, I would be very happy to go into it. But we think that the three grounds that have been advanced by the Attorney General, that this is foreign to the bill, that it is vague and that it is in conflict with other acts, are simply not sustainable, and I would ask you to consider that in making your ruling.

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The First Deputy Chair: Thank you.

My ruling is that I consider this amendment to be in order.

Liberal motion --

Hon Mr Harnick: Point of order, Madam Chair: I would like to appeal that ruling to the Speaker.

The First Deputy Chair: Okay. We will await the arrival of the Speaker.

The committee rose and requested a ruling of the speaker.

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The First Deputy Chair: Mr Speaker, the committee has risen because there has been a challenge to a ruling that I gave.

The Speaker: Thank you, and the challenge came from?

The First Deputy Chair: The Attorney General.

The Speaker: The Attorney General.

Hon Mr Harnick: Mr Speaker, the amendment before you deals with the designation of streets in Metropolitan Toronto as I guess heritage sites, and I submit to you that that is something that is an improper amendment quite simply because, as my first submission, it is not part of the original bill.

I refer you initially to Beauchesne at page 176, item 579, "An amendment setting forth a proposition dealing with a matter which is foreign to the proposition involved in the main motion is not relevant and cannot be moved," and what I say quite simply is that this bill does not deal with heritage sites or designating streets or any particular properties as heritage properties, and therefore, all these amendments are not proper amendments.

I also refer to page 207 of Beauchesne in this regard where it sets out that, "An amendment is out of order if it is irrelevant to the bill, beyond its scope or governed by or dependent upon amendments already negatived," and what I say to you is that this is beyond the scope of the bill and therefore it should not be acceptable, and as an amendment, should be thrown out.

My second ground that I wish to point out to you is that when we take a look at this amendment, and it's very important that the amendment be reviewed, I submit to you that the amendment is vague, and at page 207 of the Beauchesne book, if we take a look under item 698 again, "An amendment is inadmissible if it refers to, or is not intelligible without, subsequent amendments or schedules, or if it is otherwise incomplete."

It also states that, "An amendment is out of order if it is offered at the wrong place in the bill, if it is tendered to the committee in a spirit of mockery or if it is vague or trifling" -- not vague and trifling -- "vague or trifling." I submit to you that this bill is vague in that a number of the significant terms used in the legislation are so vague and lacking in definition as to render it difficult and perhaps impossible for well-intentioned citizens and even the courts to interpret the legislation and comply with it or give effect to its terms.

I wanted to point out to you that if you take a look at the terms that are used, "heritage," "communities," "preserved," "character," "sustained," "street" and "use," none of these are defined, and quite simply, if we go back to Beauchesne at page 207 under item 698(4)(a), "An amendment is inadmissible if it refers to, or is not intelligible without, subsequent amendments or schedules, or if it is otherwise incomplete," and quite simply, this is I believe incomplete.

There are a couple of other items I want to point out to you. The bill states, and the section in subsection (2) is very clear: In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail. At the same time, if we take a look at the Ontario Heritage Act and we take a look at subsection 68(3), it states: "Where there is a conflict between this act or the regulations and any other act or regulations, this act or the regulations shall prevail." I think that we have here, as a third submission, a conflict, and it seems to me that that as well is a reason to demonstrate that this is incomplete, vague and should not be permitted.

There are a couple of other items that I wish to refer to you that I think are important. Unlike the Ontario Heritage Act, which provides the closest and somewhat parallel approach to the proposed amendment, the latter would provide no procedural or other rights to any resident or to the new city to participate in any way in the decision made by the Legislature designating the street in question to be of heritage significance and thereby applying to it automatically whatever consequences of designation flow from the legislation itself. Jurisdiction under the Ontario Heritage Act is exercised in Metropolitan Toronto at the area municipal level and would become a power or responsibility of the council of the new city under Bill 103.

Under subsection 29(1) of the Ontario Heritage Act, where a municipal council intends to designate a property to be of historic or architectural value or interest under part IV of the act, it is required to publish a notice of intention to designate in a newspaper having general circulation in the municipality and serve that notice upon the owner of the property that is being affected. The notice is required to contain an adequate description of the property. Any person objecting to the proposed designation may serve notice of that fact upon the municipality. After a hearing held pursuant to the Statutory Powers Procedure Act, the review board reports back to the council.

What I say, Speaker, is quite simply that this amendment is not properly part of this bill and it's vague, it's in conflict with other law that already deals with this and it's outside the scope of the bill, and quite simply, if you take a look at all of the items that I just read to you, an amendment may not amend a statute which is not before the committee, and what this attempts to do is to amend or affect the Ontario Heritage Act, and I state that proposition to you, set out again on page 207 of Beauchesne under item 698(8)(a). So I say that those are grounds to rule this amendment, and all of the subsequent 1,490 amendments naming streets, out of order and they should not be here.

Ms Castrilli: Speaker, thank you for coming back again. The Attorney General has asserted three grounds upon which he would seek to have you rule the amendment out of order. The one before us is the one pertaining to Brooklawn Avenue. The grounds he has cited are that the amendment is foreign to the bill, that it is vague or trifling and that it is a conflict with other acts.

I'd like to start firstly by dealing with the motion itself. I think we ought to be very clear what we're talking about. Section 29.1(1):

"Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating" -- in this case Brooklawn Avenue -- "in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Is this foreign to the legislation's intent? I would argue, indeed we argue, that it is not. The legislation is about amalgamation. It is about the powers of the new municipality under that amalgamation. It is about being consistent with the government's amendments, preserving the old municipalities by a series of councils and by linking those councils in a very real way to the new amalgamated form, and therefore it is very much within the spirit of the legislation which we are considering. If anything, I would think the government would be embarrassed to argue what it has argued, because its own amendments point to the uniqueness of the six areas which are about to be amalgamated into one. I would think they would want to have the kind of provision in the act that strengthens their own assertion.

On the issue of whether this is vague, the Attorney General has indicated a number of words that he finds objectionable: "heritage," "preserve," "sustain," "street" and "use" were the ones I picked out. I would submit that some of these are words of common English usage: "sustain," "street" and "use." Certainly we're not going to start to define what we mean by a street. If his challenge is to the word "heritage" -- we can begin with that -- I think the term is hardly vague. The Oxford English Dictionary defines "vague" as meaning indistinct, not clearly expressed or identified or uncertain or ill-defined meaning or character, imprecise, inexact in thought or expression or understanding. Words and Phrases ask whether the provision is insensible and meaningless in the sense that it is impossible to attach any reasonable meaning to the terms contained in it.

In this case, the motion is neither indistinct nor imprecise nor inexact in thought. Nothing could be further from the truth. It attempts to say very clearly what it is that it sets out to do.

The amendment is clearly designed to preserve the character of the local communities, which are being swallowed up by the megacity by explicitly acknowledging the fact that the street in question is a heritage street, is then identified as a street of importance in that particular community by recognizing the significance of this simple fact to residents of what is defined in the act as the "urban area." It cannot therefore be said that this motion is vague or that it is impossible to attach any reasonable meanings on the terms contained in it.

If the word "heritage" is the word that the government disputes, then I would submit to you that "heritage" is a matter of law. There's ample evidence with respect to that in our statutes and regulations. In fact, the Canadian Multiculturalism Act, chapter 24, 1988, deals with heritage in subsection 3(1). The Canadian heritage act, passed in 1995, gives jurisdiction to the minister of a whole series of matters which could be constituted as heritage. The Heritage Railway Stations Protection Act talks about heritage with respect to railways. That was proclaimed in 1988. The Canadian Heritage Languages Institute, proclaimed in 1991, deals with heritage that applies to language. I should point out that there were no less than 161 records of heritage in Canadian statutes and regulations. We have our own Ontario Heritage Act, to which the minister has made reference, and no less an authority than the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms sets out in section 27 the importance of heritage in our individual lives.

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It's hard to imagine a less vague word than "heritage" under those circumstances as a matter of law. Words and Phrases sets out another test for uncertainty or vagueness which I will read to you:

"A bylaw cannot be said to be invalid for uncertainty merely because its terms require to be construed or it contains words which admit of more than one meaning. The test is whether, read as a whole and with its preamble, the meaning and intent are clear."

I think in this particular case it is obvious that the intent is clear. That is the only substantive word to which the minister has made reference. The others, as I've indicated, are words in common English usage and they're certainly -- I can't imagine a word such as "street" having to be defined in any way and being vague for the purposes of this legislation.

Even if you find that the word "heritage," Speaker, is vague or perhaps has more than one meaning, I would submit to you that the motion does not turn on the word "heritage," that you in fact could take out the word "heritage" and it would still be a motion which is acceptable and doesn't alter the meaning in any way. Read as a whole, the meaning and intent of the amendment is very clear, that we want to designate certain streets for the use of the citizens of that particular area. So the motion is not vague but very precise, very exact in meaning and can stand as a whole even without the word that the Attorney General has cited.

I want to deal a little bit with vagueness in how it has been dealt with in legislative precedents. That may be of some assistance to you as well. The only Legislative Assembly precedent that we've been able to find dates back to 1904. The journals of the Legislative Assembly for April 7, 1904, has a motion:

"That the report of the committee be not now concurred in but the bill be recommitted to the committee of the whole House with instructions to incorporate therein the provisions of Bill 89 to amend the assessment act in that particular instance and to strike out from said Bill 72 all provisions inconsistent with Bill 89."

In that case the motion was held to be out of order because it was entirely too vague to be received. Also on the ground that Bill 89 was not in the hands of the House, having been referred to a select committee. That is not the case here. This is the only legislative precedent that exists and may be easily distinguished from the case in hand. First, the 1904 motion attempted to modify the provisions of one bill by incorporating the provisions of another. That's not what we are trying to do here. It was trying to strike out all of those provisions which were inconsistent with the bill. Again, that's not the situation here.

We are dealing with a simple motion that does not refer to or incorporate the provisions of any other legislation and that does not require the deletion from or insertion of any other elements into the body of the bill.

Further, the 1904 motion purported to deal with a bill that was not properly in the hands of the House. That again is not the case here. We are properly charged with the bill as a committee of the whole to review the bill clause by clause and there are no other foreign elements that are before us. I would submit that you must use caution in applying this precedent to the case at hand because it is easily distinguishable and quite frankly it is not a very convincing example of a ruling of an amendment out of order for vagueness.

You should also bear in mind that since the only legislative precedent that we have on vagueness dates back to 1904, I think that simple fact alone points to the caution that has been used by Speakers in previous legislatures in approaching amendments and the vagueness of amendments. It indicates that while the Speaker has the discretion, they have used it very sparingly and certainly have not used it to kill amendments which are properly before the House.

Finally, I refer you to Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, the sixth edition, at page 175, which reads: "An amendment cannot be ruled out because of its vagueness." This is supported by a precedent of the House of Commons in Canada, cited in the Journal of the House of Commons, dated March 30, 1870. In that case, the motion purported to add the words: "...and that such steps should be taken as to render impossible any such grant or provisions to the question that was put before the government."

The ruling of the Speaker is noteworthy and I'll cite it for you. The Speaker said the motion is certainly very vague but he cannot say that the House cannot express a vague opinion. In other words, the motion in that case was objected to because of its alleged vagueness and it was held by the Speaker that vagueness alone was not sufficient to kill the motion and rule it out of order.

That precedent, Speaker, I think is on point. Even if you should find that the terms that we have indicated are vague, it is not our contention that the terms that are used in this particular amendment are vague. In fact, quite to the contrary. But even if you should find they are vague, there are cases on point which would require you to be very cautious in ruling it out of order.

I guess the last point I'd like to make with respect to vagueness is the Interpretation Act itself. As you know, section 10 of the Interpretation Act provides that every act of the Legislature is to be remedial and shall, in the words of section 10, "receive such fair, large and liberal construction and interpretation as will best ensure the attainment of the object of the act according to its true intent, meaning and spirit."

It's submitted that the intent and spirit of this amendment is well within the act. It is not anything that goes beyond the act and section 10 should apply to amendments as well as legislation and that, therefore, it's incumbent on you to give the fairest and largest and most liberal construction you can give in interpreting this motion.

In exercising your discretion, therefore, Speaker, as to whether this amendment is out of order for vagueness, I know you will use great care and your decision, I would submit, should be based on looking at this as a motion which is properly before the House, whose terms are clearly identified and for you to kill the amendment would in fact have the effect of frustrating the objects of the legislation and, therefore, those of the minority in this House.

On the third point that the Attorney General cites, which deals with conflict with other acts, again it's hard to understand what the argument is. The legislation is crystal clear on this point and the Attorney General cited it himself. Subsection 26(1) says:

"This act applies despite any general or special act and despite any regulation made under another act, and in the event of a conflict between this act and another act or a regulation made under another act, this act prevails."

It would seem to me that if the Attorney General is concerned about the application of the Ontario Heritage Act that this provision is conclusive on that point, that it is intended to prevail over the other legislation dealing with the same subject matter.

Finally, I'd like to go back to the first proposition and that is, the amendment that has been put before you is an amendment which is totally consistent with the purpose of the act. It is not vague, it is not trifling, it is not foreign and it is not intended to be in conflict with any other legislation. Quite to the contrary, we view it as a way to enhance the stated purpose of this act and the stated intent of the amendments which the government themselves have moved. I would ask you to rule the amendment in order.

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Ms Lankin: Mr speaker, I think you've heard exhaustive arguments on this and so I intend to be very brief. Dealing with the concept that this amendment should be ruled out of order because it is foreign to the bill, let me say first of all, the Liberal amendment deals with preservation of communities. The concept of preservation of communities is an important subject of the bill that is before us.

The minister himself has referred to this often, especially with regard to the government amendments which have already passed concerning neighbourhood and community councils which are contained in section 5 of the bill. Section 5.2 of the bill, as amended, deals with the delegation of planning matters to community councils. We know that there is a great interrelation between the matters prescribed by the Planning Act and the Ontario Heritage Act already with respect to planning, and the specific reference within this legislation brings those three bills into a matter or a state of interrelationship.

May I also say that under subsection 5.4(4) and under subsection 24(1) this bill contemplates that the minister may delegate more power to community councils, so I do not believe that it can be ruled out of order on the argument of it being foreign to the bill.

On the argument of vagueness, the member for Downsview has given you extensive arguments on that. I would simply reinforce the point that, given that the last time an amendment was ruled out of order on the argument of vagueness was in 1904, Speakers have obviously given great caution in that the standard that must be met must be higher in order for that argument of the Attorney General to succeed.

With respect to the argument of conflict, I believe that section 26 as it is set out, which sets this bill above and beyond any other bill or special statute and/or regulation, clarifies already that there is not a conflict and that any conflict would be resolved in favour of this bill, which is temporarily in time the latest one to have been passed.

The Attorney General's specific argument under conflict dealt with the Ontario Heritage Act and the due process set out under that act for consultation and for appeal procedures etc. I would say that is irrelevant to whether or not the amendment is in order. That may be a very, very good argument for members of this Legislature to vote against an amendment such as this. I find that a compelling debate point, but I do not find that a point that is relevant to an argument of whether or not there is conflict. Therefore, the amendment would be out of order.

The Speaker: Thank you. I'm just going to go back to the Attorney General.

Hon Mr Harnick: I'd just like to add a couple of comments. One comment is that good legislative planning and drafting dictates that new legislation should not be designed in such a way as to be in conflict with existing legislation. I think that's basic, and I'd make that submission.

I would also indicate to you that a designation of "heritage" to a particular street really has nothing to do with Bill 103, which is an amalgamation bill and which is a governance structure bill. What this amendment does is attempt to amend the Heritage Act, which is not before us. That's clearly improper and I reiterate my comment to refer you to Beauchesne at page 207, the bottom of the page, (8)(a). It says that you can't use amendments in this act to amend effectively another act, and that's what's being done here.

As well, I reiterate from your earlier ruling where you cited an Australian precedent that you can't submit new clauses in a bill that are beyond the scope of the bill. I think that's what's happening here, and therefore these amendments are not proper.

Mr John Gerretsen (Kingston and The Islands): Just on that last point, Mr Speaker, let's be abundantly clear that municipalities are creatures of the province and if the province has a certain power, it can override the municipal powers at any time.

Let's deal with the definition of "heritage" first. It is not defined anywhere in legislation, and it's certainly not defined in the Ontario Heritage Act. However, section 2 makes it abundantly clear and I'll quote it to you: "The minister...may determine policies, priorities and programs for the conservation, protection and preservation of the heritage of Ontario."

Hon Mr Harnick: That's a different act. What does this mean?

Mr Gerretsen: This is the Ontario Heritage Act that I'm referring to, which is the act that the Attorney General has been referring to. All I'm saying is that "heritage" is not defined in the act, yet the minister has the power to determine policies and set priorities with respect to the heritage of Ontario. That then is interpreted by the fact that municipalities may designate buildings of architectural and historic value. It may also, in section 40, in effect, designate heritage conservation districts. Let me tell you, just as an aside, this was I believe the only act that was ever proclaimed outside of this Legislature. It was done in the city of Kingston in 1979, and we have about 500 historically designated buildings and also two historically designated districts in our municipality.

The point simply is this: If the province can give those powers to municipalities to take those kind of actions, it surely has those powers itself. We're not here arguing right now on the merits, as to whether or not the amendment should or should not pass; that's already been decided in the one hour that was set aside for debate on the amendments. We can't, unfortunately, debate it, and whether or not a person may want to vote in favour or against this amendment is something that should be decided when the amendment is put. But certainly the province has every power that it has at its disposal to designate any particular street as a historic district within the heritage confines.

"Heritage" is not defined but the Minister of Culture and Recreation has the power, in effect, to designate and to set priorities in these matters if she so wishes. If she has that power, then surely the government as a whole has that power to set that in this particular act.

Just to reiterate a comment that was made earlier, this is all about communities. That's what we're trying to protect here. That's what this demonstration over the last six or seven days has been all about. That's what the Citizens for Local Democracy are all about. What they are saying is that one megacity will not protect the individual communities and municipalities that make up that new megacity.

So certainly, the amendments, in my opinion, are totally order. They are an attempt to clearly illustrate that we want to make sure that those particular streets, those particular communities, those particular districts are of heritage value to the province of Ontario.

Finally, the other point that I would like to make is -- I guess I've made both points, about as forcefully as I can. Thank you.

The Speaker: The member for Algoma.

Mr Tom Froese (St Catharines-Brock): Welcome back.

Mr Bud Wildman (Algoma): I'm glad to be here. I've listened very carefully, and I will not prolong the debate, but I want to raise a couple of specifics.

First, it seems to me that the government cannot have it both ways. It can't have a heritage act, with a minister responsible for preserving heritage, which does not itself define the word, and then argue that unless the word is defined here, it is vague, in this legislation. If the Attorney General's argument holds, then I guess the minister responsible for carrying out responsibilities under the Ontario Heritage Act is doing so in a very vague way.

This is clearly in line with the purposes, ironically, of the government's own amendments. Their amendments, they argue, were put in order to preserve communities and to assist in assuring people that communities and community distinctiveness would be preserved. In my view, the Liberal amendments enhance the government's amendments in preserving community. In that sense, if the government's amendments are indeed in order and are designed to preserve community, then these amendments should indeed also be found in order as they in fact help to carry out the purposes of the government's own amendments.

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I would like you to turn, in considering this, to one other point which was made at the very end of the Attorney General's first intervention on this matter to you. That was when he said that this particular amendment, which deals with Brooklawn Avenue, if you rule, that your ruling should apply to all similar amendments put forward that are deemed to have been put, as per the time allocation motion. I understand that in a previous ruling on NDP amendments that were of a similar nature, the ruling was taken to apply to all of those amendments.

I would want you to consider this very carefully, not just in this context, but in the context of what precedential effects such an approach might have, because it is my view that, under the time allocation motion, all amendments are deemed to have been put, and we are only now dealing with one amendment. If indeed this amendment is ruled out of order, then the question is, do we then have to move to the next amendment and have a ruling on it after it is read? Because that is a very important matter that may not just have influence on what happens in this particular situation, but perhaps on future situations that may face this House and other legislative assemblies under the British parliamentary system.

Hon David Johnson (Chair of the Management Board of Cabinet, Government House Leader): Mr Speaker, it would certainly be our contention that not only this particular amendment is out of order, but there are some 1,490, to be as precise as we can be, Liberal amendments dealing with random streets, as far as we can determine, some 1,490 picked out of a hat, as far as we can determine, across Metropolitan Toronto.

This debate seems to have hinged, to some degree, on the definition of the word "heritage." The member for Downsview has referred us to the Ontario Heritage Act. The member for Kingston and The Islands has referred us to the Ontario Heritage Act.

Mr Gerretsen: So has the Attorney General.

Hon David Johnson: Yes, and so has the Attorney General, quite clearly, because that's what we're involved with here is the Ontario Heritage Act and that indeed is our submission. The member for Kingston and The Islands has gone further and said that this involves the Minister of Citizenship, Culture and Recreation and in his comments he alluded to the minister. And that in fact is our submission, Mr Speaker, that this is an amendment and this is supported by the statements from the opposition parties; the movers of the very amendment themselves are directing us to the Ontario Heritage Act, and that's their claim, that that's where we should be looking to.

I bring you back to the point made by the Attorney General, who has read from Parliamentary Rules and Forms, Beauchesne's sixth edition, page 207: "An amendment may not amend a statute which is not before the committee." Clearly the Ontario Heritage Act is not before this committee. Yet, by their own words, the members from the Liberal Party putting forward the amendment are directing to this very act and inferring that that's precisely what is to be amended.

In terms of vagueness, Mr Speaker, I don't think there's really any doubt out there in the real world that this is vague. You have to make the ruling in this particular House, what is vague and what isn't vague but --

Ms Lankin: Are you saying this is not the real world?

Hon David Johnson: I think most people would agree with me that this is not the real world, and particularly after five or six days of whatever we've gone through.

What is the meaning, as this has been put forward? Is the meaning, in terms of heritage, to designate simply the name of 1,490 streets, just the name itself? Is it to designate, because the Ontario Heritage Act pertains --

Mr Gerretsen: Yes, to what? Just a minute.

Hon David Johnson: -- and I see the member for Kingston and The Islands saying yes, that what he had intended is streets, so some physical nature. So are we talking about the pavement, the actual street itself, the tarmac or the pavement? Are we talking about --

Interjection.

Hon David Johnson: Is that the right word? Are we talking about the municipal property, all of the road allowance that would be associated, the sidewalks and the grass on the road allowance on people's front yards and the fire hydrants and the utilities? Is that what we're talking about? Mr Speaker, are we talking about other municipal property that would appear on the street such as parks or recreation complexes or community centres or any other municipal property?

Or, Mr Speaker, are we talking, as the Ontario Heritage Act usually refers to, about particular private properties? Would we be talking about private properties one would normally deem to be of significance in heritage? Or would we be talking about all homes, all business -- and I see the member for Kingston and The Islands nodding yes. In his view, that's probably what we're talking about all homes, all businesses, every single property privately owned, publicly owned property, which has enormous consequences.

Now that may be beyond the scope of how you wish to rule, but that has enormous consequences. That means that every single building on these streets would be so designated -- and I can see by the pall that has gone over the Liberals now that they may be starting to understand the consequences of this. It means, Mr Speaker, that --

Mr Gerretsen: Point of order, Mr Speaker: The government House leader is arguing the merits --

The Speaker: With the greatest respect to the member for Kingston and The Islands and the government House leader, I'm in a point of order at this point in time. You're in order, let's try and keep on topic. I appreciate the comments.

Hon David Johnson: I appreciate that, Mr Speaker. I'm just trying to indicate the vagueness of this whole issue and that structures cannot change the colour of the paint, if they're so designated, cannot change the roof, cannot change the moulding of any of the properties, cannot make any single change, and it's generally acknowledged that the value of properties diminishes and most people have great concerns about this.

I will move on from that because we can all understand that there's a wide range of possibilities that this may not include and I'm sure there'll be many legal battles if any of these actually did go through.

The member from Downsview says that this doesn't hinge on the word "heritage." Perhaps she says that because she may begin to understand the vagueness and the problems associated with that. However, I would point out to you that the very title of the paragraph says "Preserving local heritage." I would submit that indeed it's very integral to that.

Mr Speaker, notwithstanding all of that -- and I believe that the Attorney General has put forward a solid case. I would hope very much that you would agree with the case that this is clearly out of order; amending an act has nothing to do with this. I would simply note and point out to you the obvious that if, notwithstanding all of that, you're looking at other situations that previously you did make a very sensible ruling for a batch of other amendments, some 8,000 amendments which I believe all parties have now acknowledged was a very sensible ruling in terms of simply acknowledging the street name.

The Speaker: That's not the point, government House leader, that's not the point.

Hon David Johnson: That's not the main point, but I simply point that out to you.

The Speaker: I would never suggest anyone can't have a point of order, and I think the member for Beaches-Woodbine was very good in her synopsis. It has been exhaustive. I think I've grasped as much as there is. But I'm prepared to listen to more argument. If you'd be concise and to the point, it would be profoundly helpful.

Mr Colle: I'm just going to be very direct. When we sat through the committee hearings, deputant after deputant expressed a concern about the loss of identity, the loss of neighbourhood. That was the predominant theme of the deputants. I don't know how better I could, as a member of this Legislature, respond to their deputations. They basically asked us to find a way of trying to preserve their local neighbourhood, the identity of their streets and the identity of their municipalities. That's what they came to us to implore.

The Speaker: With the greatest of respect, member for Oakwood, I appreciate that and I think that's what you're trying to do here. Now I'm trying to rule whether or not it's in order.

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Mr Colle: Therefore in context -- what we've done is basically responded to that and reinforced what the government did in their amendments when they established community councils, when the government House leader went all over the municipalities saying, "Oh, we're going to preserve local identities and we're going to change the ward boundaries to do that and we're going to establish community councils to do that." Therefore, you can't have it both ways.

That's what we're doing with this amendment. We're reinforcing what the government tried to do in its community council amendment, in its ward boundaries amendment, which reflects, as they say in their legislation, the older municipalities. If you look at their 5.1 amendment, "There shall be six community councils, one for each part of the urban areas that was an area municipality under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act." What we're doing is enhancing that by saying we're going to be more detailed in preserving local identity. If you read our motion, it talks about our intent here. That is what I think, as the Speaker, you have to look at, the intent.

"The heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained" -- how? -- "by designating Brooklawn Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street." What better way would there be of enhancing the government's own amendment? How much more legitimate an amendment could you have in an attempt to basically respond to the deputations and the concerns that the government had about losing local identity. The government's arguing out of both sides of its mouth on this if it votes against this amendment.

Mrs McLeod: Mr Speaker, I appreciate that you have asked us to be as brief and as specific as possible in our arguments. I, in turn, appreciate your attentiveness to our arguments, so I will not reiterate what has already been argued. I would like, therefore, to make really just very brief points on the three areas that the Attorney General has suggested should be considered in considering whether this amendment is in order.

As the member for Downsview has said, the first argument that he made was that this is foreign to the bill. I would ask you to consider that this is indeed not foreign to the bill, that it is very specific to the consequences of what will be lost should this bill proceed. It is specific to what will be lost notwithstanding the amendments that the government brought in at the beginning of this process of committee of the whole in its attempt to respond to the concern about the loss of uniqueness of community.

The Attorney General this afternoon has suggested that this bill is not about community and heritage, that this bill applies to government structures and the change in municipal and government structures. I suggest that what the Attorney General is proposing, and what his government believes, is that we should all just ignore the consequences of the legislation which they are taking through. I would argue, Mr Speaker, that it is the responsibility of this Legislature, as it should be the responsibility of government, to consider the consequences of the legislation.

In our view, what we are doing with these amendments is attempting in some way to mitigate the most serious consequence, which is the loss of community. I believe, that any attempt to mitigate consequences which are indeed lawful in their presentation should be considered in order. I don't believe it's our purpose to debate those amendments here today. We would love the opportunity to debate each and every one of the amendments, but clearly within the government House leader's time allocation motion, we were restricted from debate after the first hour.

I will not raise any arguments under the second contention of the Attorney General, which is vagueness, because I believe this has been well argued by the member for Downsview.

The third argument then was that this was in conflict with other legislation. Again, it has been argued by the member for Kingston and The Islands and the member for Downsview and I will not reiterate their argument, because I think what the member for Downsview said is that this has been well protected in this legislation, because the government has given itself total power. If there is anything in any other act which is contradictory to this act, this act supersedes it. That's the way the government protects itself against legislation which might be seen to be in contradiction with any other legislation.

The point I would simply like to make under this argument that the Attorney General has made is in response to his argument when he raised the issue of the Ontario Heritage Act. It was the Attorney General's original submission that made the debate to some extent turn on this point, not our submission. When he raised the issue of the Ontario Heritage Act, his contention was that that act required consultation which could not be provided for with this amendment.

I would argue, firstly, that if the amalgamation of all of these municipalities can proceed without consultation, then it is certainly within the government's power to designate heritage sites without such consultation.

I would further argue that if the Attorney General is concerned about the contradiction in legislation, if legislation is drafted and presented which contradicts other legislation, then this amalgamation legislation, which amalgamates municipalities without consultation, is in itself in direct contradiction of legislation under Bill 26, which has had a quite different process for the amalgamation of all other municipalities outside of Metropolitan Toronto. So I really don't believe that the argument of the Attorney General can be considered in this instance if it's not to be applied to the entire bill and have the entire bill ruled out of order because it is contradictory to other legislation.

Having said that, I would recognize, however, that the issue here is whether or not the amendments are in order. If the government does not feel that the designation of these areas as heritage sites in order to make some attempt to preserve the uniqueness of communities which will be lost by this government's forced amalgamation, if they don't consider it appropriate, they are free to vote against our amendments. The issue here is not whether you are for or against it; the issue is whether they are in order. I trust you will rule they are.

Ms Castrilli: Mr Speaker, just a few short commments since I laid out my position earlier on. We are here today because the large majority of residents of greater Toronto, both through the referendum and through the hearings, have indicated that they care about their communities. We've tried to structure amendments that responded to that, and I've argued before you that the amendments deal, yes, with heritage sites of significance, but even if you find that that is a vague term, and that is what the Attorney General has put before you, that the amendment stand on its own without the word "heritage," maintaining that feeling that people have that their communities are important without going as far as to designate them heritage.

I'd like to say to the Attorney General and to the House leader that it wasn't our intention to bring up the heritage act, in fact it was only in response to their dealing with it. We don't think that our amendment turns on the word "heritage" at all. It is a descriptive term, but the amendment can stand on its own.

I'd also like you to consider two points: One is that it's customary for legislation to have conflict provisions. Yes, the Attorney General cited the Ontario Heritage Act provisions. There are provisions in this particular legislation before us. Every single piece of legislation that we have says in case of a conflict, this act prevails. I think to cite that argument in this case is to cite no argument at all.

The last point I'd like you to bear in mind is that our amendment doesn't deal with every street in greater Metropolitan Toronto. Our series of amendments, if you decide then to rule on all of them -- we are only dealing with a few streets in all of Metropolitan Toronto to maintain the community base and the significance that people have attached to those streets.

It is very important to consider each amendment on its own, because this is not any kind of computer-generated set of amendments, as the government has alleged before of other types of amendments. These are very careful choices, and they're presented in a spirit of trying to accommodate the individual characters of the six communities that are being amalgamated into one.

The Speaker: I'd like to thank everyone for your submissions. They're getting to be superb, to be quite honest, and it's making my job a lot easier when we go back to research. I would like to take a 30-minute break to examine this , and I apologize to the member for St Catharines-Brock, but sometimes you need 30 minutes just to get through the submissions.

Interjections.

The Speaker: You've all heard about unanimous consent.

The House recessed from 1209 to 1312.

The Speaker: I've had an opportunity to reflect on the lengthy submissions of members on this point of order. Let me deal with the issues one at a time.

On submissions made with respect to conflict, the Speaker is not a drafter or interpreter of legislation. That is for the drafters of legislation and courts respectively. Nor is it within the province of the Speaker to provide a legal opinion on how the amendment and the bill that are before me, if passed, are to be reconciled with each other or legislation or to otherwise interpret the legislation.

The resolution of potential conflicts is for those who are charged with that responsibility. For this reason, I cannot give further consideration to legal or quasi-legal submissions made by various members.

Turning to the submission on vagueness, I appreciate hearing the thoughtful submission of the Attorney General and the member for Downsview, Ms Castrilli. The fact that there have been so few rulings on vagueness in this House and in other parliamentary jurisdictions suggests to me an obvious point, namely, it will be a rare situation indeed when an amendment will be ruled out of order for vagueness.

No one around this place can recall the last time an amendment has been ruled out of order on the grounds of vagueness. That does not mean that it cannot happen now or in the future, but I have to say that I do not find the amendment to be vague. I really do not have any difficulty in understanding this amendment, and it'll be for others to interpret the words of the amendment if the amendment is eventually incorporated into any resulting legislation.

With respect to the submissions dealing with amendments that are beyond the scope of the bill, I find that the amendment is not beyond the scope of the bill. Earlier this sessional day, I found certain government amendments in order that sought to introduce community councils. Similar submissions as to their admissibility were made at that time. For those same reasons, I find the amendment before me is also in order.

With respect to the submission that the amendment amends legislation that is not open in the bill, I have to say that the amendment does not in fact do this. Members will know that the presence of words like "despite" and "pursuant" that refer to another piece of legislation does not signify that the amendment seeks to amend other legislation.

Finally, and I want to deal with this point as well, I want to respond to submissions that were made with respect to the Speaker's ability to rule out of order a series of similar amendments at the same time.

I want to be very clear with this House about this issue: There can be no doubt that pursuant to time allocation orders the amendments, all of the amendments, are deemed to have been moved. That being the case, there can be no doubt that in a proper case, the amendments can be ruled out of order as a series or a package of amendments.

In closing, then, I find the amendments to be in order. I thank the members who made submissions for their assistance. I therefore uphold the ruling of the Chair.

House in committee of the whole.

The Chair (Mr Gilles E. Morin): A Liberal motion, 29.1:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.1(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those municipalities sustained, by designating Brooklawn Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

A Liberal motion, 29.2:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.2(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those municipalities sustained, by designating Brookmill Boulevard in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.

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Mr Wildman: Point of order, Mr Chair: Late last evening there was a decision by the Chair that we should stand. We're quite willing to stand if that is your wish, but we would like it clarified in relation to the previous ruling by the Chair.

The Chair: If that was agreed, then it will respected, but you also have to designate who is sitting. Would you mind doing that now? So two NDPs and five Liberals.

Hon David Johnson: Point of order, Mr Chair: I just wanted to confirm on behalf of the government that it was our suggestion, and there was unanimous consent, that the members would not have to stand during the proceedings for the vote in this regard.

The Chair: That's correct.

The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.3:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.3(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Brookridge Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.4:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.4(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Araz Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and the vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.5:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.5(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arboretum Lane in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and the vote is deferred.

You have to be in your seats. Don't forget.

Liberal motion, 29.6:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.6(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Archway Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it and the vote is deferred.

Hon David Johnson: On a point of order, Mr Chairman: In line with the procedure during a previous block of amendments whereby the only different portion of the amendment was a street name -- and we're facing a similar situation with these motions, about 1,500 motions -- I would ask for unanimous consent of the House that in fact you be authorized, I guess, if that's the right word, to use the same procedure during this block as was used during that previous block and simply bring to the attention of the members the different name of each street.

The Chair: Is there unanimous consent -- would you like to speak on it?

Ms Castrilli: Yes.

Mr James J. Bradley (St Catharines): Yes, I will begin by saying one part of it and the member for Downsview has an intervention. The government seems to be early in its intervention in this regard. This time round the government House leader has listened to perhaps one or two of these amendments and has drawn a conclusion rather quickly, Mr Chair. Our view is that it would be somewhat early to draw any such conclusion. However, I will defer to my colleague from Downsview.

The Chair: It's not necessary to debate. I've asked for unanimous consent and I'll ask the question again: Is there unanimous consent? There's not.

Liberal motion, 29.7:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.7(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ardtrea Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will please say "aye." All those opposed will please "nay."

Mr Gilles Bisson (Cochrane South): On a point of order, Mr Chairman: Pursuant to the unanimous consent around deferral, the member for Algoma is gone and we would like to make that record clear so that we're able to proceed with the deferral.

The Chair: All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.

The member for Cochrane South, I agree with what you said, but you have to remain in your seat, seated. Are you one of the members of the NDP? You're not. Who are the members of the NDP?

Mr Bisson: One, right here.

The Chair: Only one? How many Liberal members are there?

Mr Colle: Five.

The Chair: There have to be five.

Mr Gilles Pouliot (Lake Nipigon): They're not sure. But we're members of the NDP.

The Chair: No, but I want to know who are the ones who have been told to remain in their seats in order that we take the deferred vote.

Mr Len Wood (Cochrane North): I am.

The Chair: You are. Who else? Two. How many Liberals are there?

Mr Colle: Three.

The Chair: So you are the three appointed. So whenever there is a change --

Interjections.

The Chair: It's five altogether. Just take your seat for a minute. Let me repeat, that if you make changes I see the ones who are responsible -- you left the chair -- so that we know for sure that when we look at the individuals who have been appointed, we know they are there in their seats.

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Mr Len Wood: On a point of order, Mr Chair: For the next while, I will be the designated voter for the NDP caucus, and I assume the Liberals will have four members voting with me.

The Chair: So it will be the member for Lake Nipigon, yourself, and the three Liberals there.

Mr Len Wood: The member for Lake Nipigon might have to go because he's on a finance committee very soon in another room.

The Chair: And Mr Conway, so therefore we have five. That's fine.

The vote is deferred.

The Acting Chair (Mr Jack Carroll): Okay, we're ready to go.

Liberal motion, section 29.8:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.8(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ardwick Boulevard in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All in favour, say "aye." All opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Interjections.

The Acting Chair: My correction. All the votes are deferred.

Liberal motion, section 29.9:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.9(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arena Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

All in favour of the motion? Those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, section 29.10:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.10(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Argonne Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

All those in favour of the motion? Those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, section 29.11:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.11(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arjay Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.12:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.12(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arkwright Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.13:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.13(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arleta Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.14:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.14(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arlstan Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.15:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.15(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Armour Boulevard in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.16:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.16(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arnott Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.17:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.17(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arran Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal amendment, section 29.18:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.18(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arrow Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is defeated.

Liberal motion, section 29.19:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.19(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arrowdale Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal amendment, section 29.20

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.20(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arrowsmith Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, section 29.21:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.21(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Arrowstock Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.22:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.22(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Art Griffith Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.23:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.23(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Artech Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.24:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.24(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Artinger Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.25:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.25(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Artisan Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.26:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.26(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Artreeva Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.27:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.27(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ashgrove Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.28:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.28(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ashstead Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.29:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.29(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ashton Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.30:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.30(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ashwarren Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.31:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.31(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aspenwood Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.32:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.32(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Assiniboine Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.33:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.33(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Astral Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.34:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.34(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Athabaska Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.35:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.35(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Atkinson Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.36:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.36(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Au Large Boulevard in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.37:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.37(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Audubon Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.38:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.38(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aura Lee Boulevard in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal amendment, 29.39:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.39(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Austrey Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.40:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.40(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Averdon Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.41:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.41(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Averill Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.42:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.42(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aviemore Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.43:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.43(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Avondale Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.44:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.44(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Avonhill Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.45:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.45(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Axsmith Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.46:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.46(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ayr Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.47:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.47(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Azalea Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.48:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.48(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Azrock Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.49:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.49(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bachelor Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.50:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.50(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bagot Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.51:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.51(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bainbridge Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.52:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.52(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Baintree East Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.53:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.53(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Baintree Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.54:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.54(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bakersfield Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.55:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.55(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Balaby Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.56:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.56(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Balding Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.57:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.57(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bales Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal amendment, 29.57:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.57(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bales Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.58:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.58(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ballyconnor Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.59:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.59(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ballymena Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.60:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.60(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ballyronan Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

All those in favour, say "aye." Excuse me, shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.61:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.61(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Baltray Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All opposed, say "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.62:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.62(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bamber Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.63:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.63(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bamboo Grove in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.64:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.64(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bamford Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.65:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.65(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abbeywood Trail in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.66:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.66(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abbotsford Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.67:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.67(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abitibi Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.68:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.68(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abrams Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.69:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.69(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Acacia Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.70:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.70(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Academy Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.71:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.71(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Acton Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.72:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.72(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Adamede Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.74:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.74(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Addington Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.75:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.75(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Addington Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.76:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.76(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Addison Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal amendment, 29.77:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.77(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Adele Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.78:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.78(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Adra Villaway in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.79:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.79(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Agate Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.80:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.80(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ailsa Craig Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.81:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.81(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alamosa Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.82:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.82(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albany Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.84:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.84(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albion Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.85:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.85(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alcester Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.86:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.86(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldenham Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.87:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.87(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alderbrook Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.88:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.88(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alderdale Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.89:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.89(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldershot Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.90:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.90(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexandra Wood in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Interjections.

Mr Len Wood: I just saved you $700 because I didn't fly home on the weekend.

The Acting Chair: Order. The member for Cochrane North. If somebody feels compelled to speak, maybe they could come down here and do this job.

Liberal amendment, 29.91:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.91(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexdon Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.92:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.92(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexis Boulevard in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other section or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.93:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.93(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alfred Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.94:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.94(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Algo Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.95:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.95(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alladin Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.96:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.96(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Allard Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal amendment, 29.97:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.97(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Allenbury Gardens in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.98:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.98(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Allenwood Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.99:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.99(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Allingham Gardens in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.100:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.100(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alloy Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.101:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.101(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Allview Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.102:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.102(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Almington Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.103:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.103(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Almont Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.104:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.104(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Almore Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area."

Mr Colle: Point of order, Mr Chair: I have Alness Street.

The Acting Chair: Almore Avenue?

Mr Colle: I've got Alness.

The Acting Chair: I'm on Almore Avenue.

Mr Colle: That was the one before. Almore Avenue. Okay.

The Acting Chair: I have Almont Road and then I'm now doing Almore Avenue.

Mr Colle: Okay. That's fine.

The Acting Chair: "`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.105:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.105(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alness Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.106:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.106(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alonzo Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.107:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.107(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Altamont Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.108:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage --

Mr Michael A. Brown (Algoma-Manitoulin): Point of order, Mr Chair: There will be three members on the Liberal bench and I believe there will be two on the NDP bench.

The Acting Chair: Thank you very much. I appreciate your bringing that to my attention.

"`29.108(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alvarado Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.109:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.109(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Amaranth Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal amendment, 29.110:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.110(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ambassador Place in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." Opposed, "nay." The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal amendment, 29.111:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.111(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Amber Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.112:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.112(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ambrose Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.113:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.113(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ameer Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.114:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.114(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ames Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Liberal motion, 29.115:

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.115(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Amesbury Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.116:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.116(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Amos Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.117:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.117(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ancaster Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.118:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.118(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Anchor Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.119:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.119(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ancona Street in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.120:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.120(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aneta Circle in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.121:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.121(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Anewen Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, sayaye. Opposed, nay. The nays have it. The vote is deferred.

Hon David Johnson: On a point of order, Mr Chair: In dealing with a previous block of amendments, the Speaker ruled in that case that -- they were very similar. There was an amendment where it was word for word -- some 8,000 of them -- precisely the same, except that what had been inserted in one line was either a street name or a lake or an inn or an island or something of that nature in the province of Ontario. After consideration, the Speaker directed that instead of reading the whole motion, the Chair should simply read the street name.

He did this after a part of the process had unfolded for a certain period of time and then he ruled that it was appropriate at that point in time that the Chair simply read the street name.

I notice that we have been into this process, which is very equivalent, where you are doing your diligent best, doing an excellent job at reading an amendment with similar characteristics. In other words, there's one amendment and the significant difference here is a different street name.

Mr Chair, I believe from the previous ruling of the Speaker, and in assistance to you, that you have the latitude at this point, since we have gone through about an hour of this particular Liberal amendment -- and there are some 1,500 in total of them -- entirely similar, with the significant difference being the street name.

I believe you have the latitude at this point to go exactly the same route. The members will now be totally aware of what the amendment is and the Liberal Party members, I'm sure, will because it's their amendment, so they'll know it. The NDP members, I'm sure, have studied this thoroughly and they'll know precisely what it is. I can speak on behalf of all the government members: We understand this Liberal amendment from front to back with the only difference being the street name.

I would ask you to rule at this point that you can proceed and in fact do proceed on the same basis and simply read the street name.

The Acting Chair: Minister, that is a point of order. Did you have something on the same point of order?

Ms Castrilli: I have something on the same point of order, Chair.

The Acting Chair: I was prepared to rule on it.

Ms Castrilli: You were prepared to rule on it?

The Acting Chair: Yes, I was.

Ms Castrilli: Perhaps I could just beg a little bit of your time before you do that, Chair. I'd like to offer the view that this differs from the previous NDP amendments and the ruling that was rendered at that time.

I urge you to look at the motion and you'll see first off that this isn't just a question of putting in one street name in a motion. We are in fact talking about putting in a street name, putting in a city, defining that street. Secondly, if it's a street in the city of Toronto, it requires the naming of the City of Toronto Act, where applicable. I think that in itself makes it distinguishable.

I also advanced arguments to the Speaker earlier that these amendments are really quite different from the ones that we've seen previously. This isn't the question of every single street in Metropolitan Toronto. There are only --

Interjections.

The Acting Chair: Order.

Ms Castrilli: I wonder if I could have leave to speak.

The Acting Chair: Order.

Ms Castrilli: There are only 1,400 streets that have been designated, and again, as I said to the Speaker, it was in response to what we heard in the hearings and what people have said to us through the referendum. They're very careful. It's a very careful selection of streets and they're there for specific purposes.

Could I also point out to you that the Speaker's ruling on the NDP motion -- I forget what day it was; we've been at this a fairly long time -- specifically said, and I will quote to you: "Let me be very clear. This process will be applied to this series of amendments only and should not be construed to be a precedent for the reading of amendments in the future." Therefore, the government House leader cannot argue that you should use that precedent to bolster his view.

Finally, let me say to you that it would be very, very difficult to simply read out sections of each motion. It would be extremely confusing. It would not be time effective at all. I think we would be requiring clarification at each stage and there is no precedent that has been set in this House to date and I urge to rule that out of order.

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The Acting Chair: The member for Beaches-Woodbine. On the same point of order?

Ms Lankin: Yes, on the same point of order. I would like to point out a number of things which I think distinguish this from the Speaker's ruling with respect to the series of NDP motions. First of all, I'd like to talk about the amount of time that has been involved.

The Speaker's ruling came some time late Sunday afternoon, some four full days after we had commenced the process and about 2,500 to 2,800 or so amendments into the series of some 10,000 or so NDP amendments that dealt with substantially the same subject matter. More specifically, I would like to point out to you that we have been at this approximately one hour now and that in total there are only some 1,400 Liberal amendments. It comes nowhere near the threshold that had been reached when Speaker Stockwell made his earlier ruling.

But I think it is also important that you take into account Speaker Stockwell's ruling at the time. I'm reading from a text of that in which he spends some time setting out the procedure with respect to the reading of amendments in committee of the whole and finds in fact that it is the practice and it is in order and it should be followed that the amendments are read in and gives for the reason that "the fundamental parliamentary principle behind this procedure is that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on."

In talking about that, he then goes on to set out, though, that in some circumstances, extraordinary and unusual circumstances, there is a precedent which says that the Speaker does have a latitude to act in exceptional instances and he finds that this House is in an exceptional circumstance and goes on to make a ruling in which he is very, very careful to set out that he is proposing to do two things.

First of all is that he would, for the balance of those NDP amendments, make a copy of the amendment available to members of the Legislative Assembly and that the Chair would be required to read the street name in only before putting the question on each amendment.

He says, and I'm quoting now directly: "Let me be very clear. This process will be applied to this series of amendments only and should not be construed to be a precedent for the reading of amendments in the future. This does not mean that I'm finding these amendments to be frivolous or tendered in a spirit of mockery."

He then goes on to make two very direct suggestions, and I would think, coming from the Office of the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, these are as close to directives to the members of the Legislative Assembly as is possible.

Second, he says he is making a strong recommendation to this House that it direct its energies and future to develop proposals that will address our legislative process with a view to adding to it report stage procedures which would go a long way to solving this kind of problem.

To date, there have been no discussions of what those proposals would be or how they'd be developed. I think that's understandable given the circumstance we're in and that this will be something that I'm sure House leaders will turn their minds to in the future.

Secondly, he points out that "members should understand that this decision will only shorten this process up to a point," and that "we are still going to be here for an extended period of time."

He says, "In closing, I implore the House leaders to begin the process of negotiating an agreement that will resolve this impasse for the benefit of the members, the employees, the citizens of this province and this great institution."

Mr Chair, I would suggest to you that this extraordinary ruling of the Chair in which he acts with latitude in exceptional circumstances, given the directions that he has placed in this ruling, was in fact to attempt to put pressure on all parties in this Legislative Assembly to find some resolve to this impasse.

I would point out to you that subsequent to that, House leaders meetings have been held, that there in fact have been some discussions and, as recently as media reports today, the government House leader has indicated that it is helpful and that there is a process and that this is ongoing.

I think it would be highly unusual now, given that the conditions seem to have been created by the Speaker's ruling for potentially productive discussions to take place, for a Chair now at this point to create a different precedent with respect to the normal procedures of this House and upset that balance that has been created by what was an extraordinary but, I would argue, helpful ruling of the Speaker at that point in time.

The Acting Chair: I'm prepared to answer this and you can deal with my answer as you see fit. Basically, as I understand the rules of this place, those who are proposing amendments have the right that they be read. The Speaker made a ruling, and I have a copy of it here, which very specifically ruled on NDP amendment 24(4). I believe that confines me to not having the latitude to make that same decision in this particular case. In the absence of unanimous consent, I have to rule against the request to defer the reading of the amendments.

Hon David Johnson: Mr Chair, I respect your decision, but I do challenge the Chair.

The committee rose and requested a ruling of the Speaker.

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The Acting Chair: Mr Speaker, we'd been through 121 of a series of amendments proposed by the Liberal Party on section 29.1 of the bill that are different only if they have a different street name inserted in them. The government House leader requested that I rule, consistent with your ruling from subsection 24(4), that we be allowed to just name the street rather than repeat the whole motion. I told him that I wasn't at liberty to make that particular ruling and he appealed that decision of mine and we've asked you to come in and settle the issue for us.

Hon David Johnson: Yes, Mr Speaker, I have appealed that. There was a similar situation, which I suspect you may recall vaguely, a few days ago. This is a little bit like Alice in Wonderland. It certainly is a strange, strange world. On that occasion there were some 8,000 amendments which incorporated another street or another island or another inn or another stadium or another something. Browning Island was in there, I think --

The Speaker: Not that I don't appreciate this, but let's try and stick to the issue and deal with it.

Hon David Johnson: In that case, you then required, and I'm reading from your ruling, that "the Chair...be required to read the street name prior to putting the question on each amendment," which was a process at that time that certainly to my sense -- I do recall talking to members of all three parties and they said that was a very sensible ruling on your part. It proceeded, and I believe at that time there was the feeling of this whole House that it allowed the members to understand what they were voting on, but at the same time that the House could do its business in an expeditious and efficient fashion.

You also indicated that it wasn't a precedent, and I'll state that right up front. I'm aware of that; I know that's going to be stated. Nevertheless I will say that the situation we face at the present time is quite identical. I think part of your ruling may have been that we had gone through a considerable number of those. I don't know the percentage by comparison to the percentage we've gone through of the Liberal amendments at this point in time.

As the Chair of the committee of the whole has indicated, we've gone through some 120 of these particular amendments which are substantially identical, almost word for word. To be totally precise, the difference is that most of them refer to the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act, I think, and some of them maybe the City of Toronto Act or something of that nature, the street name again and a reference to a municipality. Other than that they're word for word precisely the same.

Based on what I think you felt was important to this House, which was that the members understand what they're voting on, I'm fully confident that all the members of this House understand this motion now, having seen it 120 times. Perhaps they could be provided, as you suggested in the previous case, with a blank copy with the pertinent parts not filled in if that would assist in their further understanding.

At the same time, you also put a strong recommendation to the House that it direct its energies in future to develop proposals that will address our legislative process, with a view to adding to it a report which states procedures which would go a long way to solving this kind of problem -- another excellent recommendation on your part, one that I certainly, on behalf of the government, would fully intend to pursue. But obviously, Mr Speaker, you would realize that between last weekend and now there's been no opportunity to do this, and we find ourselves still in this laborious, time-consuming procedure. But rest assured that I would wish to pursue this in the future.

Finally, you indicated that you would "implore the House leaders to begin the process of negotiating an agreement that will resolve this impasse for the benefit of the members, the employees, the citizens of this province and this...institution," which again was a recommendation I fully endorsed and one that I indicated to all concerned was an excellent recommendation. In fact, I had called a meeting of the House leaders prior to that, called a subsequent meeting, but unfortunately I have to report to you that while I put suggestions of more public hearing, more debate etc, we have made no progress --

The Speaker: You understand what I'm going to rule now. It's the point of order before us, if we could stick to that.

Hon David Johnson: I'm just following up on your full ruling last time.

The Speaker: Where my ruling is germane, I think it will be useful to hear.

Hon David Johnson: I do know that the members opposite raised these points in dealing with the Chair, because my suspicion is they'll do that again.

I believe that having gone through 120 of these, and perhaps with sending a blank copy around, as the members felt that your ruling last time was a good one, the same ruling should be made in this particular case. If it is your view that the Chair should refer to the act, the street and the city, then I think that would certainly be acceptable. Those are the only three aspects that change. The reality is, simply by referring to the street, everybody here would without a doubt know what we are referring to, but just to be fully sure, the Chair could refer to the act, the street and the city, and then there would be no doubt whatsoever.

Mr Speaker, I would ask you again, in the interests of allowing the members to understand, but in the interests of efficiency of this House, to direct the Chair accordingly.

Ms Castrilli: Mr Speaker, in responding to the point of order raised by the government House leader, I'll make three points: I'll address the differences between the amendment before us and the series of amendments that will come and those of the NDP previously; I'll address the issue of the consequences of accepting the point of order as stated by the government House leader; and I'll deal with the precedents to date.

Let me first say that our amendments, and this particular amendment, are quite dramatically different from the ones we have seen to date and on which you have ruled previously. You will recall that there were over 11,000 of the NDP amendments which were the subject of your ruling. We have presented but 1,400 amendments. I made representation to you earlier that they were selectively chosen to reflect what we had heard at hearings on the legislation. It was a selection that is before you. It is not every street in greater Metropolitan Toronto. That in itself is a large difference.

The second difference I would point out to you is that our amendment is structured differently. If you have the amendment before you, you will see that it requires us to insert the name of the street, it requires the municipality, it requires the municipality as the definition of the street, and where it is in the city of Toronto it also requires reference to the City of Toronto Act. Those are three or four insertions that need to be made, whereas the NDP amendments on which you ruled required only one. The consequences of acceding to the government House leader's request is that it would be extremely confusing for this House to deal with the number of changes that are required with each amendment. Frankly, I would expect that what would happen is that members would be forever asking questions as to where we are and what precisely is being voted on. I don't think that is either desirable or time-effective.

Dealing with the precedents briefly, there are no precedents for this. Certainly our standing orders are silent on any of these issues. The legislative interpretation of those, the precedents are silent on this. The only authority that speaks to the point at all is Beauchesne. I refer you to the sixth edition, section 3237, which says:

"The Speaker or the Chairman of a committee of the whole ought not to consider the consequences of the adoption or rejection of a motion or an amendment, nor is it their concern whether ministers of the crown or private members are proceeding fast enough with their bills or motions. All the Speaker has to do is to see that the rules of procedure are observed. The House will decide what course to follow after the members who sponsor measures have introduced and explained them."

This is not a debate on the amendment. The government will be free to defeat the amendment if they wish. It is your concern simply to make sure the procedures of the House are followed.

Dealing with your previous ruling, which is not a precedent -- you've said that very clearly and I want to reiterate that -- at the time of the ruling some 2,000 NDP amendments had already gone through and we had been through several days of dealing with those amendments. We have barely started, and as I've said, there are only 1,400 of our amendments in total. Your ruling, however, does not stand as a precedent because you've said very clearly, "Let me be...clear. This process will be applied to this series of amendments only and should not be construed to be a precedent for the reading of amendments in the future." Therefore, your own ruling cannot be used, although you are perfectly free to consider making a decision on this set of the evidence that's put before you. But that does not constitute a precedent, by your own words.

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Let me say in conclusion that our amendment is both qualitatively and quantitatively different from what was before you in the point of order dealing with the NDP series of amendments. It would not be either time-effective or desirable to proceed in the manner suggested by the government House leader. Your ruling is not a precedent. There is clear evidence that the speed at which we are proceeding is not the concern of the Speaker in general.

Finally, I'd like to quote your ruling, however, in this, and I think it is germane: "Every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on.... I believe that a modern definition of Speaker requires that decisions are taken which are also in the best interests of the institution of Parliament," and only in extraordinary circumstances should that be deviated from."

I submit to you that these are not extraordinary circumstances, that in fact we are proceeding at a clip that allows us to know what we are voting on and it is in the best interests of the institution of Parliament to rule against this point of order.

Ms Lankin: Mr Speaker, you've heard arguments with respect to the quantitative and qualitative differences and I'm not going to argue on those points. They are there for you to consider. I want to deal solely with your previous ruling.

The first stage of your ruling, which reviews the precedents in this House, comes down to a basic finding that the Chair was absolutely correct in his ruling. Our practice and procedures require the amendments to be read. That is no longer in dispute with respect to this exercise in the committee of the whole. That has been decided by you on the basis of precedents in this Legislature.

You then go on to find that in extraordinary circumstances, exceptional circumstances, the Speaker does have a latitude to act and you state that you believe the House finds itself in exceptional circumstances and you provide a ruling which we know was with respect to the series of NDP amendments to subsection 24(4). You couldn't have been clearer in your ruling than to say, "This process will be applied to this series of amendments only and should not be construed to be a precedent for the reading of amendments in the future." You go on to urge that the assembly take steps in the future to deal with this particular kind of problem through the rules.

I would submit to you if you were to rule again in this light and to create a second ruling which varied from the practice and procedures of this House that require the amendments to be read, you would in fact be creating precedence at that point in time and rule changes would not be required in order to facilitate resolving these kinds of problems in the future.

More importantly I believe, and this is the reason I was struck by your ruling and why I found your ruling to be one of balance under the circumstances, in closing you "implore the House leaders to begin the process of negotiating an agreement that will resolve this impasse for the benefit of the members, the employees, the citizens of this province and this institution."

This impasse exists with respect to the procedure that we are undertaking now in dealing with amendments in committee of the whole. I believe, and of course this is in your mind to know, but I believe that you sought to create pressure on the parties of this Legislative Assembly to try and find a way through that impasse. I believe, as a facilitator of the Legislative Assembly and of parliamentary procedure, and as someone who sits as a neutral, it was wise to try to create the conditions under which the parties might themselves find a resolve to the impasse. As you know and as you have ruled, it is not within your purview to be able to find that resolve for us; it is only for you to try and seek to create the conditions that that resolve might be found.

I submit to you that, while wise in that circumstance, the opportunities for those negotiations have existed and continue to exist. It would not be wise for you to insert yourself in the process again and to change the balance that you have created, which is to put pressure on all sides of this Legislative Assembly, by at this point in time attempting to, I would say, facilitate the government's desire to shorten the process that is before us.

I believe it is a critical ruling for you, at this point not to create a precedent in this House that stands outside the rules of the Legislature and, secondly, not to intervene and step into what has clearly been recognized by all as a dispute of the parties and attempt in any way to influence what is a very precarious balance that has been struck, which has facilitated the commencement of discussions, although as the government House leader quite rightly points out, no resolve has been found yet.

Mr Gerretsen: I'm certainly not going to repeat anything that has been said here so far, Mr Speaker.

As the interim Chair has clearly pointed out, he had dealt with 120 of these amendments in a matter of about one hour. This whole process, at that length of time, would take no more than 10 or 11 hours.

Interjections.

Mr Garry J. Guzzo (Ottawa-Rideau): It's only $10,000 an hour. What's $100,000 or so to you?

Mr Gerretsen: Just for the record, this is not costing $10,000 an hour. That was an interjection that was made.

The Speaker: Let me just get this straight. Member for Ottawa-Rideau, come to order, please. Thank you. I don't want to get into that debate. I'm not here to hear those arguments. I understand that there was barracking that you're responding to. I would ask that the barracking discontinue.

Mr Gerretsen: The point I am trying to make, Mr Speaker, is that the whole process here would have taken a fairly short period of time. In the last hour or so, in which the ruling of the interim Chair has been challenged, we could have dealt with at least another 100 or so of the various amendments. This can be dealt with in a timely fashion, certainly when you look at it in regard to the amount of time we have already spent here. Another 10 hours or so to make sure we go through each one of these amendments -- and I might say that these lists are not computer-generated. They are handwritten. They have been studied on an individual, street-by-street basis.

Even if you were to shorten the process whereby, let's say, the street name and the municipality were to be referred to, the amount of time that's going to be saved by that is going to be negligible compared to the amount of time it takes to read the entire half-page resolution or motion.

Hon David Johnson: Just quickly, it shows the kind of weird world we have descended into where the member opposite indicates it would only take 10 or 11 hours for this particular set. My reckoning is, the way things are going to work out, it actually would take considerably longer. But I wonder how many other committees of the whole have gone through 10 or 11 hours of this sort of stacking of the votes in the history of the province of Ontario.

In terms of extraordinary circumstances, I am informed that we have now passed the 140-hour mark. We have occupied time in each day of the last week and still we have, as we all know and as you have pointed out in your ruling, a long, long way to go just yet. So if these aren't extraordinary circumstances, I don't know: day and day and day after day of stalling. As has been indicated, it costs a quarter of a million dollars every day we come into this Legislature --

The Speaker: Order. Government House leader, I think I was fairly clear that I didn't want to go there. If you want to finish your submission, I'd appreciate it.

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Mr Gerretsen: Where do you get those numbers?

Hon David Johnson: Just from the facts.

These are extraordinary circumstances, Mr Speaker. I think there's a danger to look at each block in isolation and say, "Well, that one will only take 15 hours, and that one will only take 10 hours, and that block will only take 10 days." But if we look at the whole thing together, never in the history of this House have we been faced with a situation like this. Indeed, this is unique. It is extraordinary. As the whip of the third party has indicated, we have negotiated, we have put forward a proposal, but the third party in particular has indicated it's not interested in negotiating unless the bill is killed, and we're not about to do that.

Interjections.

Mr Howard Hampton (Rainy River): Point of order.

The Speaker: Order. I will tell members now I'm going to name someone if I don't get order. Thank you.

The submissions, I assume, are done. I appreciate, the leader of the third party -- I am not here to hear points of order on anything but what's before me.

Mr Hampton: It's on this.

The Speaker: It's on this? Well, then, go ahead.

Mr Hampton: I want to read just briefly from Beauchesne. It's the opening part in Beauchesne on "Principles of Parliamentary Law." You will not find anything the government House leader mentioned in these opening principles. This is what he says:

"The principles of Canadian parliamentary law are:

"To protect a minority and restrain the improvidence or tyranny of a majority; to secure the transaction of public business in an orderly manner; to enable every member to express opinions within limits necessary to preserve decorum and prevent an unnecessary waste of time;" -- so time is mentioned, but I ask you to note that time is mentioned with the following -- "to give abundant opportunity" -- abundant opportunity -- "for the consideration of every measure and to prevent any legislative action from being taken upon sudden impulse."

So there are about six principles there. Time is one of six. Nowhere does the government House leader's fascination with his imaginary numbers appear. I want you to note that.

Speaker, I would also like you to note this. The government says: "Well, just dispense. Dispense with the substance of these amendments." The fact is that how we do legislation and who is interested in legislation has changed a great deal from the days when a few legislators met and the public either did not have the means or was not interested in what was happening. Now the public has the means to watch. People all across this city, people all across this province, have the means to watch and to listen to what is happening. They have the means to in some way watch democracy and they have the means, if they care to, to try to understand what's happening here. But what the government wants to do is they basically want to take the meat off these amendments so that anyone watching at home, so that anyone who visits here, someone who might have a very clear interest in this because they live where this would take effect -- the government wants to cut the situation such that they can't --

The Speaker: I appreciate the leader of the third party's input, but I really would like you to speak to the point of order, and the point of order is dealing with this amendment in this House for these members.

Mr Hampton: Yes, I understand that. My point is that you are in effect the protector of democracy. It's your role to not only uphold the rules of this House, but to ensure that the minority are protected, to ensure that we don't give way to tyranny of a majority, to secure the transaction of public business, yes, in an orderly manner, to give abundant opportunity for the consideration of every measure, and to prevent any legislative action being taken upon sudden impulse.

My point is simply this: If you read those principles -- and I would point out again that nothing the government House said has anything to do with these principles -- and apply them to the issue which is at hand here and you take into consideration that people all across this province ought to be able to tell from the process we are following what we mean, what we are voting on, what we are doing, what the results will be, if you apply those principles to this situation at hand, I think you can only rule as the opposition is asking you to rule. I think you can come to no other conclusion, Speaker. That's my point.

Interjections.

The Speaker: Order. Order.

Mr Guzzo: They started it.

The Speaker: I don't really care who started it; it's out of order. I'm going to take an hour to review this. I apologize to the members for the recesses. They are long, I understand that, but as time wears on I think I'm thinking slower, so it's going to take me longer.

Mr Hampton: -- when this is over, I want to ask the Speaker a question, if it's in order. I'd like you to consider some --

The Speaker: Well, you know what? It's just not in order. I'm sorry.

The House recessed from 1528 to 1628.

The Speaker: Let me begin by saying that I, as much as anyone here, would welcome a vehicle by which this process could be expedited. We are here in the midst of a procedural impasse of logarithmic proportions. We are faced with an impossible task but one which falls within the bounds of our procedures.

But I want to be very clear to all members of this House: I cannot and will not by virtue of my rulings on this issue in this very difficult circumstance create a precedent that will impose a future solution that is more properly decided by this House.

In addition, even if I were to entertain the idea of making such rulings, it could not be done with respect to this particular issue. The amendments before us now have variable wording, unlike the proposed NDP amendments to 24(4) which involved a street insertion only. In my view, the margin for error increases exponentially and the chance of confusion is greater. The principle that every member has a right to know what he or she is voting on must guide me in these circumstances.

I therefore uphold the Chair's ruling and add that he was absolutely correct in his interpretation of my previous decision on the matter.

Mr Wildman: Point of privilege.

The Speaker: No points of privilege, sir.

Mr Wildman: I just wanted to apologize --

The Speaker: It's not in order but I heard you. Thank you.

House in committee of the whole.

The First Deputy Chair: Order. Before we begin, may I remind the opposition members, before we start, in terms of the deferred vote to let me know how many members in each caucus for the time being. Of course, whenever that changes you should let the Chair know. Do you have a point of order?

Mr Michael Brown: I was just going to inform you how many members we had.

The First Deputy Chair: Okay.

Mr Michael Brown: We have three members, Madam Chair.

The First Deputy Chair: Okay. I see four, but if you say three --

Mrs Boyd: Point of order: We will be two; I know you see three but that's only temporary.

The First Deputy Chair: Thank you for letting me know.

Liberal motion, 29.122:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.122(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Angus Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

NDP -- I'm sorry. I'm so much into the routine, as you can well imagine, that it's going to take me a moment to convert from NDP to Liberal here.

Mr Wildman: It'll take more than a few moments.

The First Deputy Chair: You know I didn't mean it that way. I'm non-partisan at the moment.

Liberal motion, 29.123:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.123(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ann Arbour Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.124:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.124(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Annapearl Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.125:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.125(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Anndale Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.126:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.126(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Ansford Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.127:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.127(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Anthia Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.128:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.128(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Anthony Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.129:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.129(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Antibes Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

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"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.130:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.130(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Antoni Plaza in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.131:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.131(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Anvil Millway in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.132:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.132(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Apache Trail in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.133:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.133(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Apex Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.134:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.134(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Apollo Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.135:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.135(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Appian Drive in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.136:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.136(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Applegate Crescent in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. A deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.137:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.137(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Applegate Court in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. A deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.139:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.139(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Apsley Road in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.140:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.140(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Apted Avenue in the city of North York a historic North York street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

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Liberal motion, 29.141:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.141(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Beverly Glen Boulevard in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? Those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote is lost.

Interjection: Aye.

The First Deputy Chair: It's too late.

Liberal motion, 29.142:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.142(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bexhill Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.143:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.143(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bicentennial Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.144:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.144(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Big Red Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.145:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.145(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bigwood Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour please say "aye." Those opposed please say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.146:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.146(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Biltmore Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.147:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.147(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bimbrok Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.148:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.148(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bingley Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.149:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.149(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birchcliffe Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred vote.

Before I continue, I just want to tell people that the street names are written in. If I'm having trouble and anybody who has a copy knows exactly -- no?

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: If they're unintelligible, I can read them out of order.

Liberal motion, 29.150:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.150(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birchard Street in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.151:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

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"`29.151(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birchlawn Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.152:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.152(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birchmount Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote. Oh, that vote is lost. You were out of your seat. The vote is lost.

Mr Gerretsen: No, I was here. I was in my seat when I voted.

The First Deputy Chair: I'm sorry, but I didn't see you. By the time I looked up you were gone.

Mr Gerretsen: I request unanimous consent that we have the vote again.

Interjections: No.

The First Deputy Chair: Okay.

Liberal motion, 29.153:

"I move that the bill be amended'" --

Interjections.

The First Deputy Chair: Order please -- "`by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.153(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birdwood Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry. All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.154:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.154(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birkdale Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.155:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.155(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Birrell Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.156:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.156(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Biscayne Boulevard in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Mr Guzzo: You're slurring that word "Liberal" at the start and the people over here -- they really want to hear that in Ottawa.

The First Deputy Chair: Are you asking that I spell it out, on a point of order?

Mr Guzzo: No, just shout it out. People in Ottawa want to know that the Liberals are part and parcel of this charade.

The First Deputy Chair: I will say it more clearly then.

Liberal motion 29.157:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage'" --

Interjection.

The First Deputy Chair: Member for Kingston and The Islands, come to order.

"`29.157(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blackhurst Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry. All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. A deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.158:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.158(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blacktoft Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry. All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.159:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.159(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blackwater Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

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Liberal motion, 29.160:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.160(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blackwell Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. Deferred vote.

Liberal motion, 29.161:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.161(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blairwood Terrace in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, please say "aye." Those opposed, please say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote will be deferred.

The Acting Chair (Mr John R. Baird): Liberal motion, 29.162:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.162(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blaisdale Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.163:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.163(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blakemanor Boulevard in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion will say "aye." All those against the amendment will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote will be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.164:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.164(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blanche Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion will say "aye." All those against the motion say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall stand deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.165:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.165(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, designating Blantyre Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those against the motion say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.166:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.166(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bledlow Manor Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those against the motion say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.167:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.167(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blue Anchor Terrace in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry?

Interjections: No.

The Acting Chair: I can't hear the honourable members.

Interjections: No.

The Acting Chair: This section shall prevail. Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those against the motion say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.168:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.168(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blue Eagle Terrace in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.169:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.169(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blue Lagoon Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.170:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.170(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blue Pond Place in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.171:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.171(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blueberry Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those against the motion say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.172:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.172(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bluetin Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those against the motion say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote is deferred.

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Liberal motion, 29.173:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.173(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bluenose Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the amendment say "aye." All those against say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote is deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.174:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.174(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Blue King Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the amendment say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, amending 29.175:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.175(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bluewater Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour of the motion say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This motion stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.176:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.176(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boarhill Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.177:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.177(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bobmar Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.178:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.178(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boem Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it.

Liberal motion, 29.179:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.179(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bolster Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour, say "aye." All those opposed, say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.180:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.180(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bonacres Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.181:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.181(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bondgate Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.182:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.182(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bonis Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.183:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.183(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bonnechere Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.184:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.184(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bonniewood Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.185:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.185(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bonnydon Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.186:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.186(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bonny Lynn Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.187:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.187(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bornholm Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.188:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.188(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Borough'" -- it is unreadable -- a-p-p-r East, Appr.

Interjection: Point of order: a-p-p-r East.

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The Acting Chair: It's illegible, so its not a question of -- I mean, we've taken more than fair time so it's not a matter that I'm trying to save time, but it is illegible on the act so I would rule it out of order.

Liberal motion, 29.189:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.189(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Borough Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.190:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.190(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Botany Hill Road in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.191:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.191(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boundry Crescent in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.192:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.192(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bournville Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry. All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.193:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.193(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bow Valley Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.194:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.194(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bowater Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote shall be deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.195:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.195(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Bows Garden Court in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.196:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.196(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boxdene Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.197:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.197(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boxhill Drive in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section -- "

Failure of sound system.

Mr Gerretsen: We just can't hear a thing, Mr Chair, with all due respect.

The Acting Chair: We have adjusted the microphones. Is that better now? Excellent.

Liberal motion, 29.198:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.198(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boyce Avenue in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.199:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.199(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Boydwood Lane in the city of Scarborough a historic Scarborough street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.200:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.200(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abbott Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.201:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.201(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abbs Street in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.202:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.202(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Abell Street in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.203:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.203(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aberdeen Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

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Liberal motion, 29.204:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.204(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexmuir Boulevard in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.205:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.205(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Acacia Road in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.206:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.206(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Adelaide Street in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.207:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.207(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexandra Boulevard in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.208:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.208(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexander Street in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.209:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.209(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Admiral Road in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.210:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.210(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Advance Road in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.211:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.211(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Afton Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.212:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.212(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Agusta Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.213:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.213(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aikenhead Road in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.214:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.214(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aileen Avenue, a-i-l-e-e-n, in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Mrs Boyd: On a point of order, Mr Chair: I wonder if when you ask if the amendment is carried you could speak out to the whole chamber rather than to your extreme right?

The Acting Chair: I appreciate the advice, and I would thank the honourable member for the generous spirit in which she offered it. Thank you very much.

Liberal motion, 29.215:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.215(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Airdrie Road, a-i-r-d-r-i-e Road, in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.216:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.216(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Airorie Road, a-i-r-o-r-i-e in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.217:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.217(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Airview Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.218:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.218(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aitken Place, a-i-t-k-e-n, in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.219:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.219(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alabaster in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.220:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.220(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexander Place in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

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Liberal motion, 29.221:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.221(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alameda Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. This vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.223:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.223(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albani Street in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.224:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.224(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albany Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.225:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.225(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldwych Avenue, a-l-d-w-y-c-h in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.226:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.226(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albemarle Street, a-l-b-m-a-r-l-e, in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.227:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.227(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albert Franck Place in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.228:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.228(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alberta Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.229:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.229(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albertus Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those against will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.230:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.230(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Albion Road in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.231:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.231(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alcina Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.232:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.232(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldridge Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it.

Liberal motion, 29.233 --

Mr Michael Brown: Mr Chair, on a point of order: I don't believe you've ruled on deferral.

The Acting Chair: I apologize. Motion deferred, and I thank my colleague the member for Algoma-Manitoulin. He is quite correct, a true point of order. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.233:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.233(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alexander Boulevard in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.234:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.234(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Alcorn Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.235:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.235(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldburn Road in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.236:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.236(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldbury Garden'" -- actually it says g-n -- "`in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the amendment carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

Liberal motion, 29.237:

"I move that the bill be amended by adding the following section:

"`Preserving local heritage

"`29.237(1) Despite anything else in this act, the heritage of the communities in the old municipalities that were area municipalities under the Municipality of Metropolitan Toronto Act shall be preserved, and the character of each of those old municipalities sustained, by designating Aldergrove Avenue in the city of Toronto incorporated by the City of Toronto Act, 1834 a historic Toronto street, and a heritage site of significance for the use of the residents of the urban area.

"`(2) In the event of a conflict between this section and the provisions of any other legislation or regulation, this section shall prevail.'"

Shall the motion carry? All those in favour will say "aye." All those opposed will say "nay." In my opinion, the nays have it. The vote stands deferred.

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